| CD Baby DIY Musician Podcast |
 Nov. 13,
2008
Ep.38 : Pandora Radio
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| posted by DJ Kenneth A on Thursday May 25 2006 @ 09:23AM PDT |
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What do you guys know about A&R Select?
I've been trying to dig up some info and all I've found out is that they are a service much like Taxi.
I was going to send them a demo (since I'm getting one ready to send out to labels.)
I had heard that they charge something like 200 bucks for 6 months of their service.
But I haven't heard much else.
Anyone know anything?
Check out DJ Kenneth A's "Saint Elmo and The Osprey" on CD Baby at http://www.cdbaby.com/kennethadj2
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They contacted me. They want 199 for 3 months, 299 for 6 and 399 for 6 months...
the guy was trying to pitch it up as a great way to make alot of money from my music. If this is the case, why not take the membership from the money I will be making...
Seems as if they are another company that wants to profit from musicians and artists....
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| by
on Tuesday August 15 2006 @ 05:10PM PDT [ reply | parent ] |
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Hi I have been with A&R now for only two weeks and I don’t know what has happened with the company, Today I found out that they deleted their MySpace account. Changed all of their phone numbers. I called the LAPD and they told me that the address that A&R where giving out was simply a Building with More then 400 Mailboxes in it. I called the business next door to A&R Select and they told me that they had never heard of any such Company. I don’t know what is going on here but I will take action if I do not get a response from them soon. I have someone at the LAPD investigating this matter and I will be notifying the Federal Trade Commission as well as the BBB. I am only giving them one more day to come forward with their explanation.
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Guys, I just spent a few minutes reading through this and looking into the group. It is so clearly a scam and I feel really bad for the poor ignorant people who have been duped into paying hundreds of dollars for a service that any self-respecting musician could provide for themselves.
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This is no scam! My friends own this company and it is totally legit!
Stop saying things that you do not know for sure are true! Look
mee They are doing a transition to promo FM right now so things
may be a little strange as far as site address finding is concerned.
Clark
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Thanks for the info. I had been asking around and others seemed to say the same thing.
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which service of these is the best and most legitimate as far as anyone knows, indie911, a&r select,taxi and there are more. does any one know?
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With a&r select from what i understand, the main difference is
that for the 299 membership, they include services like writing
artist bios, as well as personalized songwriting and image
consultations by phone with an assigned rep (which i thought
was actually kind of cool). Also they don't charge per submission
like the others do (which is what turned me off about taxi) so
there is no "up-sell". I contacted some of the artists that were
members on the www.myspace/arselect page . They verfied all
that to be true, (and many had already recieved the services and
were quite happy with A&R).They also give you a storefront to
sell your product and let you keep 100% of your earnings (works
for me!). Apparantly many of their members on the site claim to
have signed deals with MTV through them. Unnfortunatley i dont
have the $$ to pay for their service right now, but i've done quite
a bit of research at this point,and it seems like they offer more
than anyone else for the price.For now im justthinking abouty
setting up an account here on cd baby. I'd suggest asking a
current member of their service to get a real perspective on
whether its worth it. Many are leaving positive comments on the
myspace site.
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cool. That sounds good to me. If I had the money to do it I probably would.
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they contacted me aswell today, but i missed the call. it sounds interesting, but to expensive for me atm.
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I have been with A&R Select since March and I paid the 199.00 for my three month membership. I figured I would give it a shot since I would be paying the same amount in either management or booking agent fees anyway so I didn't think it would be a big deal.
I talked with them about what they offered and they seemed sincere and they didn't try to pressure me into doing anything. They said they would assign me an "image consultant" and help with artist bios as well. I didn't talk with anyone that claimed to be my personal "image consultant" and I don't remember my bio coming up in conversations either.
My only complaint with A&R Select was that they had taken down my e-mail address wrong and I didn't receive my "deal sheets" through the e-mail like I was supposed to and it wasn't until I had re-verified my e-mail address with them that I received my first deal sheet.
I too was contacted regarding a deal with MTV but, I passed on it. The agreement was quite vague and didn't look official so I didn't sign it. The deal basically allowed them (MTV) to use your music or to record your music and use it in their programming as they see fit. My only payment was going to be 1.00 and the "promotional consideration" for my song. It didn't seem like the deal I was looking for.
This is a new company and I think they are trying to conduct themselves professionally and fairly. They need some work in the customer service dept. perhaps but, all in all I think they are trying. Here is my advice!!!
1. Really ask them questions. Have them explain in detail what your membership fee is going to guarantee.
2. Browse the internet and do your homework. Check out the websites at BMI and ASCAP, they have alot of good information for their members.
3. Don't sign anything without understanding what is is. Find an attorney who specializes in music law and run it passed them first.
4. Ask fellow musicians about their experiences with dealing with "licensing" their music and what resulted from their dealings.
5. Decide up front if "x" amount of dollars is worth losing if nothing pans out. They were good about not promising anything from that standpoint so, I could afford to lose 199.00.
I hope this helps out a little.
I do believe we as artists need to help one another so, passing along good information is our best defense in ths business.
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Thank you. I got the same thing, but pressure to order now over
the phone. I don't do business like that and they should know
better than to do pressure sales. It's not good for business. I am
new in this here realm and wondering what the best place to go to
is for AR Representation. Are these the only choices. I will do more
reseach. I just want to be had again.
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Thanks! That's actually a good set of questions to think about. I'm so skeptical of so many A&R businesses you know? But it's good to hear this sort of feedback from other artists.
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| by
on Monday August 18 2008 @ 10:52AM PDT [ reply | parent ] |
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I was pressured intensely. They didn't even notice that I was not on their site for six months, yet they called me to ask me for more money. No one there really helped me.
I'm just taking this one as a loss.
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I just got called today on my cell phone, during dinner, by one of the guys at A+R. After telling him i was headed to college, and didn't have the investment, he said he'd let me pay 99.99 right now, and pay the remaining 100 next month. i thought about it, and said i was onboard. i gave him my debt card #, and he sent me the acceptance email. nothing gets withdrawn until i accept. It seemed like a great idea, and he told me that with the 199$ deal, i would get that bio thing and image consultation. i live on the other side of the country, so how that's possible is beyond me. anyways, it still sounds very reliable, i was not pressured, and felt very comfortable talking to him. i would just like to get some other opinions on A+R itself just so that i can accept this soon.
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Ok here's the deal!! A&R Select is a total scam... Go to their website and their MySpace and you will see a bunch of manufactured crap about what they will do for you. Anyone who has done anything in this industry will tell you that if you have to pay for anything up front it's a scam and a joke. I confronted A&R Select about this and they became very hostile and abruptly ended the conversation, I have not heard from the since. Does this sound like the behavior of a company on the up and up? All the feedback on their web page and MySpace is all B.S. you can contact their "artists" all you want and they will tell you how great they are but has anyone ever stopped to think that these are fake profiles set up by A&R to intice you? Much like the positive feedback people have left on this forum (it's abviously writen by someone inside the company) You can do whatever you want with your money but if you are going to throw it away like that why don't you just give it to me?
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that's exactly the problem... you're the kind of person that wants something (my money, success in the industry) for nothing. consider the source people.
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| by jim
on Wednesday September 26 2007 @ 11:11PM PDT [ reply | parent ] |
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I dont get this bunch. thay tell me i got to pay now.i told them ,Hey man i can pay all at once next month. i mean i dont feel this is a good idea to fork over 200 bucks now an 200 buckes next month an i dont have any thing in writing. never got an e-mail from them after i was told 2 times that thay would send me stuff to look at.thay wont even let me on there friends list on myspace.my band is www.myspace.com/diamonzedgeband i write than not for onley the free plug but so that you can get back to me an let me know what the hell is up with this ar select.jim
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I know a guy at a label in New York that works with them..He
says really good things about the music he gets from them and
what they are trying to do for Indy artists. Im interested, but I
looked but couldnt find out where I can sign up? Anybody know?
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I've been using these guys since february. They're killer. I was
kind of skeptical at first, since I hadn't heard of them, but it's
been rad so far. Rita rewrote my bio, Mark goes over
submissions, the guys in the office are cool. I went to see an
Interstate show with them, and they're cool guys. My songs were
on a radio station because of them.
I guess it's like this: they don't guarantee that your stuff gets
signed, because how can they? But, if you want someone in the
"industry" to help you through it, give you exposure and be
some guidance, then they are there for you. If you straight up
want God to place your music....then you're shooting too high.
I'm cool wtih putting money into my art. Like an artist pays a
gallery to hang their work and HOPE someone buys it, A&R puts
our music out there in HOPES that it gets placed.
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Okay, here's the deal. They contacted me on myspace telling me to contact them asap. I've dealt with this bullshit before (not from them)... But it's easy. If they tell you something, a good way to shut them up is to tell them that a real agent makes money from what the artist MAKES and if they truly believe in you, they'll do it, and then take the money from what you make ya know? Because in all reality, an entertainment agent is supposed to be just that. I've been an extra on TV, and all the main characters on the show I was on even told me that... Music industry and entertainment industry agents are the same, and if they aren't (such as if they try to charge up front), then they aren't doing their jobs right, or they're scamming something.
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Wow this is crazy. I searched A&R after a myspace email I got yesterday and a phone call (which I sent to my voicemail) today. Luckily I got sent to this page. I think I agree with the last comment posted...if someone wants you bad enough and believes that you have the talent they want, wouldnt THEY be paying YOU? I may be wrong..I'm new at all of this. But making someone pay for something that they are giving you sounds ridiculous. Especially if we end up making them money...?
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we signed up with A&R over 2 weeks ago and have heard NOTHING since then...i sent them an email and got back a response that i think was supposed to go to someone in their office....we also set up our webstore, but the link they gave us isn't working either....i'm starting to smell a scam....it's very disappointing....we spent the $299 for a 6 month subscription, were told that one of our songs was already being considered for a film, and then nothing since then....has anyone else had this same experience??
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I got contacted by these guys as well. To me it doesn't seem right. If they aren't making money from your success than what is the incentive for them to do anything for you. Once you sign up they have your money no matter what happens. It was exciting to see that email from an A&R company but since I've thought about it I don't like it I think. Also to the poster who asked about cdbaby, I believe this is a very valid and legit company. They profit from your profit so therefore it works.
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Im a member, and i've had nothing but a poisitive experience. I think they really have helped me and my partner with alot of aspects that we really werent considering as part of what we need to get a record deal. My rep spent 30 minutes on the phone with me going over my music, which i was not expecting. Im not surprised that most of the negativity on this blog comes from non members, or people that have that old school mentality and are just expecting to be scammed. Things are changing for musicians, and A&R select is an obvious step in the right direction. I call them once a week to check in and they are always proffesional and courteous. Just one consultation was worth the 199 i paid for the membership. In my opionion there is too much ignorance on this blog. I am with CD baby and A&R btw.
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hi.
my name is beth wimmer, and i'm a new member of A&R Select. i'm also with cdbaby and various other musicians' promo sites. some are free and some are not
i met the founders of A&R Select at a party - they were fun and neat people with a real Love for music, and seemed up to some interesting things in the music biz.
the staff has been very personable and helpful on the phone and via email, and have answered all my questions.
i went in person to their office and met the rest of the staff, who took time to talk with me, even though they were at work on computers and phones looking for and submitting artists for deals.
they have very interesting deals and opportunities to submit my music to, so i am really giving it a shot. they also have interesting extra opportunities, like gigs in other cities, and chances to win a free 6-month renewal, so i think that's cool.
i have not encountered any hidden fees. but yes, they are a business and need to pay their overhead (office and staff, computers, and do the things people in the music biz do to maintain relations)
to me, they are a bunch of authentic people with a Love for music and a desire to do something similar to TAXI, and why not?
my thinking is: if you have the money to spare, would like to build a relationship with some people that are making things happen in the music biz, and would like to take a chance, then try it out. if you're not happy with the service after 6 months, or maybe can't afford to renew, then don't renew.
thanks for listening,
~beth
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Beth is on JPF forum saying the same exact thing.
Smells like a scam.
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Personally, I use TAXI. While it is true that they charge you per
submission ($5 per song), they ARE solid. I was referred to them
through friends who are musicians (some songwritters who have
had their songs connected to artists such as Dionne
Warwick..through TAXI) and have used them successfully, so I had
back-up. So far, it is working and I have not been ripped off. We
keep finding our way, slowly, in this daunting but wonderful world
of being artists...
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Here's the thing. I submitted many songs through A & R Select,
and every time they just disappeared into a black hole, no
response. there was once I was told that we were being
considered for some gigs down in Austin, and then nothing.
I prefer Taxi at this point because they will at least give you
some sort of feedback about what you've submitted. I don't care
if they think it sucks or if they're ready to sign it, either way I
want the feedback!! They also ignored me once I gave them the
$400.00, they re-wrote my bio, wasn't all that great, I've since
had to re-write it myself again, and I never received an image or
phone consultation. So I'm pretty pissed off at A and R Select.
Not to mention, I actually sold songs by releasing them on Itunes
and Amazon so who needs them?
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I got an email from them too. They had two artists that gave them props in the massage they sent me. I went to those myspaces to see how well the artists were doing. What I noticed is that without A&R's help I am already doing better than the two artists they use to prop them selves up in the email and I've only been doing my music for about 6 months now. Why the heck would I pay all that money for something I am already achieving?
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A&R Select is a cleaver scam. I was contacted by A&R Select two weeks ago. I was dumb enough to send $399.00 All they guarantee is that they will write you a bio. Their false claim is that they will send your music to the record labels they have listed, some of which include: ASCAP, BMI, Def Jam, eE, Maverick, Universal music corp., Reprise Records, and WB Records to name a few. I did a little dirty work here and decided to contact these record companies. I called ASCAP and talked to one of their reps. He told me that he had never heard of A&R Select and when I gave him their website address (http://www.arselect.com) he let out a deep breath and said "it does appear that we are listed as one of their business associates". Then he said that his company will look into this. Then I decided to call up BMI. They told me that they work with thousands of companies but have never heard of A&R Select. Then I called Reprise Records. The man on the phone sounded like he was in a hurry. He told me that he had never heard of A&R Select but that he deals with thousands of companies. Then he pretty much closed the conversation with I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do to help you. Good bye. That's it! You decide if A&R Select is a legitimate company. Do the dirty work! Find all the numbers to these record companies and ask them if they work with A&R Select. The more people who call in, the better. I claimed fraud on my credit card already because I know A&R Select won't guarantee me anything other than a stupid bio because no one I've talked to has ever heard of A&R Select. The question you must ask yourself is "Am I willing to pay a company with no reputation to write my bio?"
Do the dirty work!
Cheers!
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WOW I along with other's wish I would have read this site before hand so here it is!! I was aproached by Kelly so her name is if this is her name????? I let it ride for a couple of week's thinking it was BS from the start then I thought ok I'll check it out.I was phoned by one of their so called Rep's Andy Bloch is his name another big maybe ? I find out his number is not a Hollywood Beach number.They told me for 5 bills for a year they would do everything they told you all ok so I start thinking like you all.But I said let's do 50/50 on the payment ok.First mistake I don't see on their site a secure payment form this should of been my first clue!! I called my bank and put a stop on the payment the next day I was to late but wait till they try to make the next payment on the 25th.They want to take me court F*** Y**!!And who want's to give up the right's to their music sure as hell not me!! If I do 1 million up front B***H!! All the negative S**T on here is true but I found out to late there links don't work that they send you and one big thing that told me I was had I paid 249 and the remainder is to be paid on the 25th of next month well once I paided them I tried to call the next day nothing and nothing I would alway's get turned to their answering service with no return call back that started to piss me off if I could go through the phone once I had one of those ass clowns on the phone I'd pulled him by the neck clean through the other side.Myspace for me is this I create mymusic so why do you need someone telling me what to write isn't it your music or do you need someone telling you what is good or not so in my eye's mymusic myspace number one remember that for yourself's.So as soon as I could not speak to no one on the phone I knew I was had I immediately sent my cancellation email wow go figure they called I told them about all this on this site and they told me it was all lie's well to many lie's don't you think!! I called the BBB in Hollywood and the first thing that they said was Wow they have alot of complaint's once again I told them that well people get madd because you can't please everyone is what I was told!! and the BBB told me they have never heard of them.I also called ASCAP they told me they have never heard of them.Well another red light!! A&R told me they work with DiscMakers I called DiscMaker's in California they also said never heard of them another red light!! Now for me I build custom motorcycles check out myspace page www.myspace.com/cactus62 you will see me on one I built for a customer in New Jersey now one thing about my business is being in Nebraska and people by a bike from me if I don't anwser the phone I think someone is going to come calling for the price of bike's I build I am legitimate and so is my business so when you deal with someone who does'nt anwser the phone until you cancell it is a scam believe me!! No one can stay in business like that and that is not the way I want to be treated by someone I am doing business with even if they are legitimate or not if I pay you for something then I want to be able to speak with you don't you!! I hope they see this call me up you F**KS I would love to come and pay you a visit but for me I could afford the 249 not a big deal and I enjoy my freedom but all in all don't deal with them they will take your money and then you won't be able to speak with them is that the way you want to do business if so send me your money and I will give you the phone number to the Gas Station up the block!! They got me don't let them get you!!!!!!!!!!!! And sure as Hell don't send your C.D. to them which I did'nt do thank god or I would've had to hunt someone DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!! I also post comment's on their myspace now as a member they still don't post them so don't do business with these joker's you've been warned!! Do the work yourself ITUNES and also one true good tip is DiscMakers has the same deal and will work with you to post your song's on digstation they are legitimate and I will be working with them check them out they have a real site with their services posted on their with a secure payment form and the BBB icon on their they are legitimate I just wish I would have seen before these ass clown's and I have spoke with them they do answer their phone calls big plus in my book of business!! If A&R was true to the game why would'nt they clear all the bad rap about them I don't do business with people like that I suggest you don't either!!
1. Get in with ASCAP
2.Get in with someone like DiscMakers
3.Work with a reputible company
4.Post your song's on any digital stations you can
5.Also get in with SnoCap so the money goe's to you for selling your mp3's & C.D.'s
6.Get a paypal account and only you can access
7.Get a tax ID#
8. Goodluck
9.Check out www.myspace.com/cactus62
Your Friend!!!!!!!!!!!
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In Retro To A&R
Well I have tried to remove my previous comment about A&R it took them awhile to come around and to actually have contact with someone and thing's seem to be moving in a positive direction no BS ! I also thought this was a scam along with everyone but I guess I relized that my purpose for joing A&R was to create more traffic to mysapce page and so far it seem's to be working so another positive.I went from 3200 people who have listed to my song's to 4400 in 2 day's so for me that is a good thing because I don't want my music to become stagnent in cyberspace I want people to still listen to them so I guess the avenue of more people to introduce to my music through them was a good thing.I will keep you posted thanks.
Cactus62
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A&R Select is wishy washy at best. I know. I've been with them since May. I realized that this company was much like TAXI, except they didn't charge per submission. And the fact that they were smaller eased my fears about signing up.
Since I signed up, I've had a lot of positive feedback from them, Mark especially. So much that Mike, the director, played one of my songs at his wedding. I thought he was lying at first.
I've always been one to be skeptical about positive affirmations about one's own music. I find it uncomfortable and forced from most, but when they tell me they dig the music, I know they're spitting the truth.
If you have a problem investing $$$ into your music, then how did you get this far without $$$. The truth is, unless you find and invite a bunch of publishing agents to your show, they're not going to find you when you've never been in the public eye. A&R Select/TAXI/Indie911 extend their services for a fee to the lesser known artists in hopes to make 'em huge. They're actually extending a co-publishing agreement to me, which would withhold me from any subscription fees, because they've found my music and believe in it enough to put their asses on the line.
I hope this answers some of your questions.
And oh yeah- BUY MY CD @ www.musicadd.com!!!
Paz,
Gejius
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Thank you everyone. I received a email on my myspace site. Reading the comments has been so helpful and appreciated.
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Frauds. Were very nasty after I thought about where my $299 was going and cancelled within 2 hours after saying I was going to do it. Nasty and verbally abusive to me over the phone for wasting 10 minutes of their precious time. Scam Scam!!
Should never have to pay this much up front.
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| by
on Sunday February 04 2007 @ 12:43PM PST [ reply | parent ] |
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Instead of listening to other bloggers rank on a&r select why wouldnt you look at all of the artists on theirsite and myspace site www.myspcea.com/arselect who have paid and are happy with having someone rep their music? I think most people who blog are just crybabys happy to find other crybabys who dont know anything about the industry and how it actually works. Get a life guys!
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Be careful of A&R do your own promotion they don't answer there phone call's anyway's is that the way you want to be treated after paying them not me!!
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| by CS
on Saturday February 03 2007 @ 10:53PM PST [ reply | parent ] |
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What do you have to loose? You only have one life. Do you want to be 1 40 yr. old musician that's never done shit or made any real money. I all about movin' forward I paid for a year w/ money I don't have. My plan is to get all the insight and advice I can then do it my damn self.
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***Im posting this on both threads I found; all the events related are true***
So as a musician I got a mail in my myspace box from a company called 'A&R Select' (http://www.arselect.com/). I usually delete these things ASAP because I know scams a mile away but I looked it up with the better business buearu and they were members with only one complaint 'resolved' against them so I figured 'what the hey' and gave them my #.
I got called today (completly forgetting I had ever been contacted LOL) from a guy named 'Mark'. First it was the compliments: we love your music, is it original, your very marketable, Im the 2nd level guy so your special, what do you wanna do tra la la la la. Once I explained my plans he started selling me what they were...without using any real plain terms. It was very vague: oh we can make you a lot of $ ($5,000-$50,000 were #s given), we can give your music to TV shows and online radio tra la la la la, and it wont cost you any royalities. Now for non music folk a publishing company (which was what he was making them out to be) usually takes a percentage of your royalities (pennies on the dollar) and publishing deals are usually pointless anyways (for what they cost).
So then he gets into another spiel about how they can promote me, make me a website, give me an image consultant, and *whisper* theres a small fee but...*continue with rambling*. It took 3 tries to get him to explain what the fee was for and what it was. Turned out you could be increments of 3: 3 months for $200, 6 for like $400, and a year for like $500. He even said himself they barely help the 3 month folk; more focus is put into the higher paying people.
He was pressuring pretty hard by then and Im like 'Hahaha yeah I think I have better uses for $500...besides everything your describing to me is useless. I can promote myself online (its not hard), I do promo crap well for myself, and Im good with image, etc..." He didnt like that...he started reselling it (pimping writing a 'bio' professionally for me heavily) and constantly using the word 'online' like "Get your songs played on online radio stations, and given to online promoters, etc". I called bull on that. I said "What about offline?" You know what his reply was? "What does offline mean?" Im like "Real physical places and people. For instance could you get me played on KIIS or get me featured in Seventeen Magazine?" His reply: "Well we cant promise anything we only show you to people its up to them...and I still dont know what you mean by physical..." My reply: "Well so you cant SHOW me to offline places?" He again went back to previous reply.
This went on for about 5 mins before he got a bit beligerent. Now all of a sudden hes saying "We should stop going in circles; look you got potential; your marketable; but your promotion and image needs work and without using our service you wont be able to do that on your own/it'll cost you more to get other people to do it for you..." Basically bullying me into "If u dont buy our service you will never succeed." Ladies and gentleman despite trying to be professional 'just incase' I finally HUNG UP.
Good thing I did: http://cdbaby.org/stories/06/05/25/4215506.html and http://www.justplainfolks.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000536.html shows why one shouldnt pay them. Its old school common sense that if you have to pay up front for anything your being stupid/swindled. Especially in their case: if they are supposed to promote, develop, and market me to places what is their incentive if I just pay them by the month increments? If they were getting a percentage then they would have motivation...very suspicious.
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