| CD Baby DIY Musician Podcast |
 June 29,
2009
Ep.65 : Matthew Ebel - Stream your concerts to the world
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| CD Baby Music Podcasts |
 Music Discovery
 Hip Hop
 60's Pop
 Rockabilly
 Top Sellers
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| What do CD Baby artists think of numberonemusic.com? |
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What do CD Baby artists think of http://www.numberone.com? I did the free trial membership for a month and recieved many listens and had about 100 people from around the world sign up for my mailing lists.
So, I let it lapse, where they still have your music up but don't push it or offer you email requests.
I spent the $40.00 dollars for a 6 month full membership, where you can link your CD sales to CD Baby, iTunes, or where ever. T
That was 2 days ago.
According to their stats, I'm getting over 1,000 listens a day, and my mailing list requests are coming in.
I have no sales from them yet but my CD Baby hits have gone up substanually, and I've been contacted by musicians both nationally and abroad about various subjects. But, they've listened to my music.
My site is http://www.numberonemusic.com/dcampco/
This seems like a good thing and worth the money.
The stats are a little hard to believe though.
Please let me know of your expeiriences and why CD Baby artists would or would not support them.
Thanks,
Dave Costarella
Check out all of D.C. & Co's CDs on CD Baby at http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dcandco
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We had a HORRIBLE experience with them.
Yeah, the stats looked good. Our tunes were ranked highly on their webpages. We got some people on the "mailing lists" they provide.
Then, we found it was all a scam. Sometimes, I would write personally the people that signed up on the list, just to point them to our real website or other mailing lists.
Most of those emails bounced... invalid addresses. Some of the people on the other ends had not listened to the music at all. We got several complimenting us on our deft drumwork or our insightful lyrics. Trouble is, we're an acoustic instrumental guitar band.
Many attempts to contact n1m with this info were fruitless. And although I thought we were signing up for a one-month trial, they kept charging us the ten bucks a month, and it took a month or two for us to notice.
I would avoid these people at all costs.
Tim McCaskey
Might Could
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i've been on N1M for 11 weeks only, after the free month i signed up for 6 months ($39,95) and have had a lot of personal feedback. i decided to offer my registered fans a free CD for the first 10 who got back to me with a postal address and received 23 addresses, i don't see how a scam could produce that result! furthermore, i entered the site after joining as a listener and getting to know such cool bands as OHM and others, who seem to sell well, the thing marketing an independent and isn't easy anywhere so until anyone can piont towards a real fullblown miracle i'm staying with N1M
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number one music is a scam!Im still an unsatisfied customer.I was in it for the advertising but instead I received meaningless emails from people that dont even BUY MUSIC!!!Yet they ask you who is your targeted audience.Number one music has numerous artists yet they never link them together they just blast friends after friends at you sometimes they mess up and give you the same friend over and over on your my space!The worst of all is when you try to contact them they never reach you back.Is there really a marketing team?Ima call the better business bureau on this matter because they prey on people who sincerely want to be noticed online.It was an experience for me and I wish I would have listened to you guys
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We've been with NumberOneMusic for about a year, we have over 800 people worldwide with their mailing list, and every time I post a newsletter I get CD Baby dowmloads! We just pay a membership no additional fees and we're very happy! My only complaint would be that sometimes it can be very hard to get onto the site....sorry you've had such a bad experience with them!
http://www.myspace.com/bluejarbelfast
http://cdbaby.com/cd/bluejar
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I've been very happy with Number One Music. Almost 800 hits in two days. Nice reviews which helps to know how to tweak the songs. I have had no problem with customer service at all. I also have had no problem with the emails bouncing. I personally thank each one that signs up and get replies back. So you must have had a bad experience Tim.
Sage
http://www.numberonemusic.com/sagehood
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To me, it seems like NumberOneMusic stats are a pure cheat.
According to them, I have around 500 subscribers & 2000 hits pr.month. It must be a gold promotion...However, I just don't see any positive effects at all - absolutely nothing.
I can't reach my subscribers (like Tim wrote). I don't see that sales or visitors to my websites are increased.
My personal opinion, but I have no belief on NumberOneMusic.
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I believe in this day and age that the digital download market is going to be the way to go, not selling a CD with a lot of songs the public does not want. I think Number One Music is a good testing ground to see how the digital response will be to you music. The public can get the songs they want and nothing else.
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Well, now I have had over 2200 hits in five days and have made friends. The networking is excellent if you use it by writing other artists. I had to reupload a song due to sound quality and lost the reviews which I have posted on
http://www.cdbaby.com/sagehood
and this was such fun. My song Misty Mountain Morning was getting compared to Led Zepplin. What a compliment lol. However, my song was written before LZ and the progression was based on "Old Man" by Neil Young lol, a D tuning.
It has been fun so far. The only political thing I have found with the site is that when you hit the top ten in the voting charts, others come immediately and vote on you songs to .05 lol.
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Yeah, It's a scam.
Despite the ridiculous number of plays we accumulated over a week (close to 2000) and the huge number of emails we received, I have not received a single reply to ANY of the emails I have sent out in reply to our sign ups. I've also been inundated with bands mailing me about mailing lists I did NOT sign up for. I think they just push your plays up, and sign other musicians up for other musicians mailing lists in order for you to think its a credible site and put your credit card details down.
I, for one, won't be.
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Hi Joel,
I still think number one music great. 10,000 hits in 12 days. If I search my name on google, I show up number one in the listings with them. CD Baby does an excellent job too...I show up as number 3. I just hope CD Baby gets out the digital stuff soon lol. This has been a lot of fun.
http://cdbaby.com/sagehood
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Thing is - have you actually sold a CD thanks to Number One? I agree, theyve got good search engine stats, but I don't find that anything they do has made any impression on sales, website visits or anything else. For example, it resets the counter at midnight - ten seconds later, I hit refresh and the top artist in our genre has 400 plays - it all seems a little weird and unrealistic - I think they feed the provider - ie, if you pay, then you're stats are pumped.
But - if its working for you - don;t let me stop you!
www.cdbaby.com/cd/joellightman
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I just signed up with number one music and have personally answered all the requests. i have heard nothing back yet or sold any cd's but its maybe to early for me to tell.
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Hi Terry,
Well I just did my first mail out to my mailing list. I got so many positive responses that really were so nice and inspiring. I tried answering all separately at first too. But it was not until I did the mass mailing from the mailing list that I got personal responses back.
There is nothing like hearing how your music influences them, how they have listened to you over 200 times alone, and how they want to write and jam with you, and more.
I just wish I had more digital distribution. Only out to 4 companies now. I believe a lot of people want to download songs (paid) rather than buy a CD. I could be wrong, but we are on the internet, the one stop shop. They can sit at home and download the song, and voila they have it. No gas, not trips to the store. It's just a very convenient medium.
I would just hang in there because you are being heard.
Don't give up.
Best to you!
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Sage,
One of your first posts says:
"I also have had no problem with the emails bouncing. I personally thank each one that signs up and get replies back."
And then, your last one says:
" I tried answering all separately at first too. But it was not until I did the mass mailing from the mailing list that I got personal responses back."
Why are you talking nonsense? Why lie? What do you have to gain?
One of those statements HAS to be false, I figure its the second one. I just don't understand why you'd have lied in the first one!
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Hey, you say you trust a company that's operated out of Russia? ok.? Dumb..
I'm the number one most listened to and downloaded artist, because they use my fame and singing with Pavarotti to get more people to pay them, it worked well, I can actually e-mail them and tell I don't like a Rap band and the band website is gone in 3 hours, crooked..
wake up, you aren't shit and there are 10 million bands better than you and 7 year artists from Korea that make you all look ill, so the stats are BS...
uh hello, Russia?
it is free for ma and some people do find my free work, but it's a scam 100 percent..
good day
Cdbaby and you're 20 bucks a month is real..
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you're an idiot and yes it did feel good to type this.
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sage hood, you obviously are one of the marketing turds who work
for number one music. I've never failed at reading between the
lines of the "I'm a satisfied customer (of my own company)"
scheme. I can sniff a salesman out of a field of skunks, skunk shit,
and daisies. Makes me the most leery of this marketing website.
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I only heard of Number One Music five minutes ago because they sent an email to me. I've never signed up for their service.
How the hell did they get my email? How did they know I'm a musician? Did they know at all?
I don't trust them.
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hey, i too think this may be a scam BUT alot of the complaints come from the following -
1. no responses come back from personal emails sent to people signing up for a mailing list
2. no actual cd purchases have been made.
first off, there is nothing that can PROVE it is a scam with those 2 accusations. i tend to lean towards the scam side myself but most of my friends are jackasses and NEVER respond to emails sent back to them. i have to actually call or inundate their inbox to get action. second, listening for free is one thing, buying is another. give it time. let's all find out the truth together.
m graven
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Just thought I'd throw my two cents in on NumberOneMusic.com. I've been a member there for about six months, I think. I went for the top level deal... I think it was like $69/yr.
I, too, have had a ton of hits, and now have close to 400 contacts on my email list. Until very recently, I was writing back to each person who signed up, tayloring my comments to hopefully get some level of response. Not much luck. I have had a few people respond, but invariably they send one liner replies, and then that's pretty much it.
I CAN say that I have made at least one REAL, QUALITY contact. As a result of their "10,000" newsletter mailing list (or whatever), I had a singer from England write back. Initially, she only wrote to say it wasn't likely she'd be able to make my gig in San Francisco when she's in England. However, we wound up conversing quite a bit. She was/is very helpful, and I feel like I found a friend and ally in this indie world.
So, take it for what it is. My nearly 100,000 hits at this point doesn't hold a lot of water to me. I haven't had any mass CD sales, or anything like that. But, I do feel like I've grown as a result, and my music is out there.
to check it out, go to: http://www.NumberOneMusic.com/bryanharrisonband
or http://www.CDbaby.com/bryanh
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sorry for my english. we have a great success with numberonemusic.com... they did promotion in U.S.A. for our debut video and it has been added to 48 national and regional programs, as well as MTV2,MTV-U and MTV!
http://www.nexxttheband.com/mtvu.htm
The video has reached 9 position in ifilm.com charts among such big acts like Kylie Minougue, Prodigy, Linkin Park, Bjork...
http://www.nexxttheband.com/ifilm.htm
We have a growing mailing list of almost 30.000 fans... almost 9.000 copies of our EP were shiped in half a year.. my expirience with contacting fans is that you get only 5% of responses from fans.. maybe this is becuase people tired of spam... but when we've asked our fans to vote for my video the result was amazing! I found this topic by searching GOOGLE and feel myself that I must say something regarding NumberOneMusic. Good Luck to you all!
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Interestingly enough... today (7.31.2006) both numberonemusic.com and numberonemusic.net are both unreachable, and are not available through DNS (that is, pings and web browser requests come back with host not found errors).
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My band has been a full member of NM1 for about a year and we started off thinking things were great. We especially like the fact that our email contact list was going global an we could point to certain regions for touring info.
I guess what sealed the deal was the lack of human interaction. Try getting someone on the phone from the corporate group. Good luck.
I really think a very average computer programer figured out a way to create bogus spins and manage a charting system that coincides with the spins.
The people on my email list are invisible as far as getting two way communication. These are suppose to be people that were interested in our tunes but we can even get them to respond to a band email. Not likely.
Beware of sites that have very little human interaction by phone. Computers can be programed to do anything.
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as far as the stats are concered I can guarantee 100% that there bogus! I can use pearl scripts to generate multi-threaded conections to the site of my choice just long enough for the site to register the hit (profile views) ie: i can spam lets say 10000 hits in about 3 or 4 hours fully automated. As far as the plays go its pretty much the same deal, i made software that will open the player without the browser window needing to be opened, plays for like 3 seconds, closes, repeats fully automated, overnight I could generate about 2000-3000 plays if I chose to.
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I would be more than happy to submit my feedback from the mailing list at Number One Music. I guess it works for some. Sorry others have not had it.
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Regarding to the numberonemusic.com I think it´s a bit strange as I recently tried to send private messages to my fans. Nobody answered - until I used the mass mailinglist in numberone.
I´ve been in Top 5 list (for the acoustic/rock genre) for a while now but I don´t get any requests and/or preorders of my coming CD (planned to 13 of august) I haven´t sold anything through them either.
As some of my fans and others maybe have read in my homepage I´ve been harassed during a long time so I thought this was just one of all other things happening at first. I am used with psycho mails and imitations of my life and what I´ve written and told others. Of course I can´t understand this in other ways than that some people on the net are trying to blacklist me.
Of course we don´t have any proof against numberone, in all cases not yet anyway but the latest I heard today via phone was that it is several people trying to reach the pages....
Best regards to all
www.numberonemusic.com/sivan
Sivan
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Sage are writing:
"I would be more than happy to submit my feedback from the mailing list at Number One Music. I guess it works for some. Sorry others have not had it."
Well, but why does it work for some and not for others then? Is that fair? And is it strange that people are looking for information when things don´t work out?
To reach the pages seems impossible even to those ones I´ve been in contact with.
Regards,
Sivan
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I had a numberonemusic site for about a month and it was doing very well i thought. I got a few seeingly personal replies from people without the mass mailing on the site, but by putting each person's email as a contact and grouping them all so it was personal from my email. But I also think the stats are ridiculously fake, mainly cause my music sucks, and is a complete joke most of the time. But I really found this topic because I wanted to know if it was just me that noticed - numberonemusic.com no longer exists at the moment...anyone got info on that?
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Scratch that last part...apprently it was just me
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Numberonemusic HAS been offline for 2 days now, it came back on today with NO PICTURES & NO MUSIC available !! here is the SPOOKY BIT my music has had 16 plays so far today, how is this when the music will not play? I am starting to think that the statistics are completey FAKE.
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22 plays so far today! and it still does not play!
hhmmm.
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from very recent observation and experiment, it APPEARS as though the stats are randomly auto generated- NO PROOF, but figures increase whilst doing nothing, then there's no change when tracks are played (or attempted, since nothing is loaded in the players currently)
Anyone got the least idea what's going on there?
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i got this when there was no page coming up
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http://www.numberonemusic.com/
Name Last modified Size Description
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Parent Directory 01-Aug-2006 09:09 -
banner/ 31-Jul-2006 00:18 -
cgi-bin/ 31-Jul-2006 00:18 -
css/ 31-Jul-2006 00:18 -
electro/ 31-Jul-2006 00:18 -
god/ 31-Jul-2006 00:18 -
images/ 31-Jul-2006 00:18 -
includes/ 31-Jul-2006 00:18 -
mp3/ 31-Jul-2006 01:35 -
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and all folders were empty except two which i don't know about cos they needed passwords and usernames to get into- god was one
See also
http://www.ukbands.net/thread.php?id=12147
for more of the same
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From previous internet searches NOM is located in NY. I know they were having bad storms and saw that the parent directory was empty. They must have had a system crash, because the service was back on this morning.
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could be a crash, or reorganisation.
the only thing that's there at the moment is the index with the message
Apache/1.3.36 Server at www.numberonemusic.com Port 80
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Hi Ben and all others.
Ben, your writing:
"But I also think the stats are ridiculously fake, mainly cause my music sucks, and is a complete joke most of the time"
Well, if you own opinion is and will stay like this, close your account within numberonemusic and stop producing music. That´s easy.
Every musician express themselfs in lyrics and with their music, all can´t love what you´re doing as the opinions vary a lot.
Some likes the same tralala in the whole song, a good example is this hit "Single" which must be the most uninteresting text/music ever, even though the artist voice is WONDERFUL.
Some likes various and deep texts so the "taste is like the ass - shared"
An example,
I guess some within my closest area dislike my texts, just because they feel themself involved and that I am coming with the truth right into their faces...that´s healthy, whilst others give me awards..so you see life and the taste is different.
A strong voice, and good music compared with lyrics will make you succeed, and believe in your self man.
Best wishes,
Sivan
[Posted by 81.231.39.201 via http://algart.net/ww This is added while posting a message to avoid misuse.
Try: http://webwarper.net/webwarper.exe Example of viewing: http://webwarper.net/ww/~s/www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=numberonemusic&btnG=Google+Search ]
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and they still ain't contactable
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My brother signed a mate up for no1 music and before his mate loaded the music up a few days later there was already 50 people signed up to the mailing list without hearing anything. What do u reckon to that?
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HI all,
Registered with other sites? Well, check the results there and divide everything with the total sum, then you can see approximately where you are and what can be close to the truth in stats. Does it matter, I guess it must be easy to see the voting results when they can be able to run the site again.
For me, it´s not so big different as I had very good results in other sites too, so fake? Well, I don´t know but its still strange that fans don´t answer. I am going back to myself, If one of my favourite artists are mailing me, I´ll answer :-)
Let´s see what´s happening. :-)
Take care all,
Sivan
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to Sivan
following any link to n1m still yields an error page, n1m is still offline. further, n1m remains incommunicado.
But, thanks.
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n1m is back up at this time- some features are not working properly, but the info is there, and the music plays. progress.
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Just got this message from NOM.
Dear Artist/Band,
Due to a hack attempt we had to shut down our servers to prevent any loss of
data. NumberOneMusic.com portal is now back online and welcomes everybody back
on board.
We are terribly sorry, and for this inconvenience we will grant you with a free
15 days full access to your account.
Thank You for understanding,
NumberOneMusic.com Team -Get Maximum Exposure!
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This whole N1Music thing keeps getting weirder. We've been a top artist on their site for about a year, but have (like so many of these other posts) had horrible results with getting personal emails back after the mailing list add. It's great seeing the stats and it's really cool getting mailing list adds from around the world, but it's just too good to be true.
Here are a couple other fishy things I found out today:
1) The address that is given (in New York) is actually the street address for a Mia Mind Music. I called them and asked about Number One Music. They said that they used to be a client about a year ago but since vanished. He said they're a Russian company and have "stolen" their address and have nothing to do with the company.
2) If you search for any of the addresses by running it through myspace, no one shows up. I find it hard to believe that the same people that spend so much time on numberonemusic.com don't have a myspace account.
If anyone has further evidence that N1Music is either a scam or the real deal, please keep the thread going.
Best of luck to all of you.
Matt
Bass, The Days In Between
www.myspace.com/daysinbetween
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sorry that address is www.numberonemusic.com/eritual/
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i think sage hood is a n1m insider- has any other n1m signee had this message?
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not personally received from , but if you check out the link http://www.ukbands.net/thread.php?id=13547
you'll see that they do have "fans" or rather members paid to give positive feedback to promote the cash side of the business after your 1 month free "promotion"
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No I am not an insider lol. I was just having some fun with Number One Music for a while. Now that they are getting hacked weekly, I am starting to get a bit concerned about their technical department.
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We received the message.
I just discovered this forum today while trying to find out whats
going on with the N1M site. I posted a comment (8/24) if your
interested.
Peace Kev.
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Glad to find out this was a scam. I was getting 10+ email signups per day and no noticable increase in sales. I started writing backup some members and usually got nothing. I got one response that didn't even make sense. See below:
Monty
http://www.dimensionzero.com
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Thank you for introducing me to your music. you're music is amazing.
Ann
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Dimension Zero wrote:
Ann,
Could you let me know if you are a real person? I'm suspect of
numberonemusic.com because I get so many mailing list sign-ups from them. I
want to make sure they aren't using bots.
Thanks,
Monty
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Monty, i don't believe its a complete scam, i reckon that maybe 15-20% of the sign-ups are genuine (by personnal experience) and that both fans and artist are getting a rough ride on this site...
if i knew then what i now, wouldn't have gone for the 6 month membership i paid $40 for.
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further to recent discoveries, e-mail listings at my N1M account have become less numerous and more credible, in that almost all recent sign-ups have been "yahoo" or "hotmail"
anyone else seen anything similar?
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Okay, I have been following this thread for quite a while and was not convinced that Numberonemusic.com could be a hoax until I saw Monty's message from Ann. I received the exact same message from Ann a few days ago. Monty and I are not even close genre wise so that didn't make sense to me.
So, I did a test in which I sent out two emails instructing everyone on my list to respond with the words "I Am Real" One email was sent from the Numberone music server and the other from my personal email server. The results are as follows:
Numberone music server:
First of all it took three days before I received any responses. Then they all came in at once. I thought that was strange and suspect. Out of 297 people on my list I received 136 responses and all wrote "I Am Real". However, it appeared that each response was sent in timed sequence as if someone had cut and pasted "I Am Real" on each response. There was about two minutes in between each response which also seemed suspicious. But the most suspicious thing is that they all did exactly as I instructed. People don't do that. There is always that one or two people that will get it wrong.
My Personal email server?
I didn't receive one response. Not one I tell you! Folks, I could be wrong here but something certainly seems wrong. I am releasing a new CD this week. I will come back and let you all know what happens after I announce it to the Number One Music sign ups. I have kept them on a seperate data base so it will be easy for me to judge the responses.
At this point, I suspect I have been had. Its not the first time. I have been had by several websites before. I am interested in starting a consumer report website for musicians. Anybody else interested? I'm tired of getting ripped off by people who prey on unsuspecting artists.
Be Blessed,
Stoneman
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A very interesting thing happened this morning after I posted my results on this website. I went to check my web page at Numberonemusic.com and discovered that it was gone. My log on was also disabled. I paid for a full year about a month ago and now they have decided to purposely rip me off without any notice. This cements it for me!
Numberonemusic.com is a scam folks. Get the word out to every musician you know. These people are crooks. they didn't even have the decency to answer my emails about it.
Why am I not surprised?
Stoneman
www.stonemanavenue.com
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I am a man of action. Are you? If so, heres what you should do about this situation.
1. If you want to get your money refunded this is what you have to do. Contact 2CO.Com (they handle numberonemusic.com's financial transactions) and ask for the fraud department. Give them your last transaction number and the low down on these crooks. Then request a refund. They not only refunded my latest transaction with them but they refunded all previous months transactions to my card.
2. Notify all your friends that have been scammed by them (as I have) and instruct them to do the same. The more people that get involved, the sooner these crooks will be out of business.
3. Post this information on all the forums that you are a member to.
4. Contact "Consumer reports Web Watch" at http://www.consumerwebwatch.org/dynamic/fraud-investigation-show-me-the-money.cfm and report this company to them. Once again, the more people that get involved, the more effective it will be.
5. Notify all musicians and professional organizations that you are involved with i.e. ASCAP, BMI, GMA, PRUS etc. and ask that they notify their membership about this company.
We can sit around and wine about being ripped off or we can get busy and take these clowns down. It all depends on how important it is to you. For me, moral integrity is #1 on my list when I do business with anyone. I don't like my hard earned money being ripped off so I take action. So, what are you going to do?
Be Blessed Regardless,
Stoneman
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Yeah...Stoneman, work hard and good luck to you
:-)
/Sivan
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the stoneman rocks
at the ukbands.net site i set up a thread (apparently offline a present) detailing the repeated e-mail messages from supposed e-mail sign-ups, so that there would be not doubt as to the length and breadth of this scam (see following comment. suffcice to say that both numberonemusic.com and their organizational team at numberonemusic.org are both offline
unlike stoneman i've received no refund upto now and don't expect one but at least the crimes are visible even if the criminals are not
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N1M quotes:
CD Baby site ALTAS SOUL - I've heard a few bands attempting to acheive similar things to you-but none so succesful at it- or so startlingly original sounding... This band should be beyond Numberonemusic and looking for entertainment lawyers in NYC to shop their demo... hope you guys are touring around I'd love to see you live! Onto my playlist, thanks for the inspiration and a rare 5 stars from me.... Barry
CD Baby site IMPERIAL - I've heard a few bands attempting to acheive similar things to you-but none so succesful at it- or so startlingly original sounding... Singer has a nice raw approach to the melody which gives it an "on the spot, captured the moment" feel. This band should be beyond Numberonemusic and looking for entertainment lawyers in NYC to shop their demo... hope you guys are touring around I'd love to see you live! Onto my playlist, thanks for the inspiration and a rare 5 stars for "Writings on the wall" from me.... Barry
Su8ck – official site guest page - I've heard a few bands attempting to acheive similar things to you-but none so succesful at it- or so startlingly original sounding... Singer has a nice raw approach to the melody which gives it an "on the spot, captured the moment" feel. This band should be beyond Numberonemusic and looking for entertainment lawyers in NYC to shop their demo... hope you guys are touring around I'd love to see you live! Onto my playlist,thanks for the inspiration and a rare 5 stars from me.... - Barry Adams (Providence, Rhode Island, USA)
CD Baby site ALTAS SOUL - First impressions: Wow! Roller Coaster of the songs. I'm surprised you guys are even on NumberoneMusic. You should be out there! One hell of a first impression. You've plundered long and deep here. Nothing samey and not repetitive at all. This is seriously catchy stuff. What more can I say, those songs are just really good. Gets me in a good mood! And the vocals are perfect. Well, so is the band.
"Very good...playlist time! Lil Traskman Bendz, Sweden
CD Baby site Polaris - Roller Coaster of the songs - First impressions: Wow! Roller Coaster of the songs. I'm surprised you guys are even on NumberoneMusic. You should be out there! One hell of a first impression. You've plundered long and deep here. Nothing samey and not repetitive at all. This is seriously catchy stuff. What more can I say, those songs are just really good. Gets me in a good mood! And the vocals are perfect. Well, so is the band. Very good... Reviewer: Lil Traskman Bendz, Lund, Sweden
Su8ck – official site guest page - First impressions: Wow! Roller Coaster of the songs. I'm surprised you guys are even on NumberoneMusic. You should be out there! One hell of a first impression. You've plundered long and deep here. Nothing samey and not repetitive at all. This is seriously catchy stuff. What more can I say, those songs are just really good. Gets me in a good mood! And the vocals are perfect. Well, so is the band. Very good...playlist time! - Lil Traskman Bendz (Lund, Sweden)
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Peace to all - Our pge in the HIP HOP/RAP catagory has been up
since April & have (had) 140.000 plays & 400 registered. We
stayed in the top 5 often being #1 in this catagory. I kept a
seporate list in EXCEL of all registered. Initially when someone
registered I would ask them if they did so on there own or if
N1M did it without there knowledge. We got back numerous
responses and emails from around the world. We also emailed
them from our personnel email and not N1M mailing service
because u cn only use it 1ce a mnth. I email some of these
people regularly. and they respond. Also we did get the email
about someone "Hacking into N1M". If its a koax its a good one.
I also question their Tech dept. in allowing this to happen and
not being able to resolve it. As of right now (8/24) we cant get
onto te site as well. It was coming and going in different forms
over the last few days but now its gone all togather. N1M was
having a good run and seemed to be growing and having some
successes, Why they wouldnt keep it up? Beyond me.
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Recently were getting email from people saying they are having
trouble accessing the site. If anyone wants to get at me im at
ebzar@optonline.net or IM ebzar64
so you know im nat an N1M insider
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It seems they are trying to put the site back up.
By the way / im on the east coast so my time is dirrerent
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Sometimes it is very hard for people to believe whats real. Getting thousands of hits each day is a good way to keep an artist on your site. However, it has been proven many times that the majority of the hits are fake. Members were still getting 100's of hits when the site was offline. Thats the proof of that. In regards to getting responses. Sure I got hundreds of responses when I sent emails from their server. But when I sent emails from my own server the results were much different. Not one reply. Now, one could argue that maybe my email went into their spam folders. But over 300 emails all going to the spam folder is extrememly unlikely.
So, we know for a fact that the hits are fake. We know that a latge percentage of the reviews were fake. We know that they will shut you down as soon as you question their integrity. What more do you need to know? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flys like a duck and lays duck eggs. Guess what? Its a Duck folks.
It is one thing to get played by someone when you don't know better. But when you see all the evidence and still allow yourself to be played, You have no one to blame but yourself.
In the beginning I wanted to believe that they were real. After all, I dominated their Soul charts for 5 or 6 months and had over 100,000 hits before I quit. That was a good feeling and I thought it was credible because I have dominated other (legitimate) websites also.
But after reviewing all the evidence and doing my own research, there is no doubt in my mind that they are criminals. Fake New York Address (they are actaully in Russia) fake hits, fake reviews. What more evidence do you need?
Don't play yourself on this one. Its all a very well orchestrated illusion.........
Be Blessed,
Stoneman
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Like I said, I never send emails from their server. I send them
directly from my email acct. - I sent over 400. I got back to date
100 responses. I dont think thats a lot. Again, if its fake its fake. I
did not get any of the responses that you got. NONE. And the
people I email from my own acct (ebzar@optonline.net) hit me
back. And we still correspond. Also, if its fake it still looks good to
a Label exact looking at the site. My money is spent and im going
to ride this horse until it dies.
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Also, i never got over 1000 hits in 1 day. 6-700 tops.
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That site went down with the music pages - Its back up since this
morning (8/26)
the music page seems like its coming back also.
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I live in tha the Bronx. 15 minutes from midtown. Ill go to the
address Sunday and see whats up. Hopefully its not a vacent lot.
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Number One ent. / Number One Music
259 West 30th Street Suite 12FR?
New York, New York 10001
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If its a vacant lot, then i jump down off the fence. Until then - I
dont know. But F it - It is what it is - My money is already spent.
They just wint get any more (for what thats worth)
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Its not a fake address, it is a different company. I talked to their billing company www.2CO.com and they told me that they were not located in New york but are in fact in Russia. But don't trust me on this. Go to their website yourself and get their telephone number. Call them and ask! by the way, No music executive will be impressed with the amount of hits you are getting. It is a well known fact that anyone can manipulate hits. What they look at is sound scan purchases, concert attendances etc. These are "real" hard copy numbers that cannot be manipulated.
However, I tire of trying to give folks a dose of reality. For some it just doesn't work. There are people that still believe there are WMD's in Iraq. No matter what concrete evidence you give them, they hold on to the fantasy. So, I am done with it. Enjoy the ride.
Stoneman
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PEACE
I'm contacting you because it seems that we here at EBZAR may
have been the victims of a scam.
We had our music on the site numberonemusic.com - We paid
for a 6 month service to have songs promoted and the
opportunity to build listeners.
Quite a few artists on the site are experiencing bogus reviews
and signups. The people i'm emailing now are those who, it
seems, are registered listeners on the page for our artist DA
TRYFE MC.
We need your help. If you are registered listeners, please hit us
back with a quick line saying so. Also, you can catch up with us
on myspace.com/datryfemc. If not, we apologize for the
disturbance.
Thank you for responding.
Kev - EBZAR
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Thats the msg i've been sending to the people who registeered to
our page. I kept a seporate list in EXCEL. I never emailed from the
N1M page only from my personnel emai. With the site down, I'll see
who hits me back.
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thanx Stoneman,
finally got my cash back and sent every artist i made contact with at N1M to do the same via your links at UKBANDS.net
i know at least three artists followed suit, and registered complaints with the internet watchdog... but there will always be those who are so blind they will not see.....
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thanx for all comments about numberonemusic.com I was a believer! Now i see the light and like you i'm pissed 'cause it was like a beautiful thing getting all those (fake! gasp) listeners! oh, well stick with good ol' soundclick.com A new goody i found is overplay.com Also, i notice the trend in promotional Compilations CDs around the world and have offers. i recently agreed to go one but they can be costly if you're not careful, peace, Adam
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Yes.. I have been watching NumberoneMusic for about 4 months
now. They were having problems with keeping the songs live. I
would go to the page and find that they were suddenly missing
again. So I stopped paying for the service. Being that I was in the
top 5 for Trance, Numberonemusic listed me as a paid member
but I was not.
I had downgraded my account to the free version and decided to
see what would happen.
Most of the email addresses seem like they are bogus. The page
hits could be real... although the plays were exact.. I tried that
out myself and watched the stats... at 2 am.. If I pushed
Technetium's play button and played 6 songs.. only 6 song
counts would happen.
So the plays seems to be right on.. whether by a bot or by
people, I do not know.
I left my free acct over there and I have been watching them to
see what goes down. It does seem they were hacked...
On three different occasions, not just once.
I received an email from Numberonemusic that said the email
address could be bogus due to being hacked. Now I do not
believe this to be true... I am not sure the email addresses were
ever real.. But regardless.. email addresses are not my primary
concern out here so I am not too worried about it.
I am more concerned with hit and plays.
At all of the sites I am signed up with, the majority of hits are
fellow band members. Even myspace, the majority is bands. I
use these tools as a way to get to know everyone in the industry.
The more people I know the more people I meet up with.
If you use Numberonemusic for just that, it is not too bad.
If you are using it to sell CD's... I think you are going to be
disappointed.
Anyway.. Hang in there peeps...
You might want to downgrade your acct to free until
Numberonemusic figures out what is going on and fixes it.
I see that I lost my 154,000 views and 96,000 plays over there. I
am now sitting at 2 views
;)
hmmmmmmmmm
Glad I wasn't paying for the service!
Talk to you soon
Lorilee of Technetium
www.myspace.com/technetium
www.technetiummusic.com
www.numberonemusic.com/technetium
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The refunds are from MC-2CO.COM 877-294-0273
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Hacked or not hacked, ideas or not ideas about scams and/or others, for Gods sake wait and see what´s happening. The thing that people are investigating what´s happening when such things occur is nothing strange for me, but..the thing that they worry so much why others are still left makes me really wondering what all this is about? After 11 years on the net I am trying to live after the criteria, never listen to rumours as rumors becomes bigger the more people involved..
Halleluja Guys. :-)
/Sivan
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I spoke to the people at MC-2CO.COM - They said yes this is
Russian Co. - I dont care if their on the moon personally. The
emails Phil09 said he received, i did not. And im in contact with a
few people who registered on our page. N1M is a vender affiliated
with MC-2CO. Thats not unusual. They said they will contact N1M
anf get some answers. NOW there is a new posting on the N1M site.
http://www.numberonemusic.com
Check it.
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LOOKS LIKE THAT B.S. N1M SITE IS BACK UP - WHO DO THEY THINK
THEY ARE FOOLING. OF THE 350 PEOPLE I EMAILED SO FAR FROM
MY OWN EMAIL @ 50 HIT ME BACK. FUCK IT. IM GOING TO RIDE IT
OUT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
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I am really torn by all this, because I have gotten the same exact reviews as Phil09 posted above -word for word. I wanted to believe in this, but if I were a vendor with all the swirling controversey and frequent crashes, I would be waging a massive PR campaign to demonstrate to my customers that I am legit and that they can trust me. N1M is just ignoring its "customers" (suckers is more like it). I withdrew my paid subscription, but I hate to lose ANY 'real' subscribers to my newsletter. I sincerely appreciate everyone who has weighed in on this thread.
Johnny Proctor
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Did any of you get their latest email. Its dated Sept. 5th.
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n1m...what a pleasant thought...that you can connect with people from around the world with your music.
Well I have. I have over 460 people on my mailing list, many of whom contact me in person. I'm currently numbers 1,2,3,4 on their Blues chart. Those are the pluses.
The downside? Well I haven't sold any music there and even though they direct people to my personal website, BlueRick.com, I still haven't sold anything by using n1m.
Is it a scam? No...I think of it as a way to get my music exposed, just like all these other sites that do the same thing with the same results.
BlueRick@BlueRick.com
---blues u can use---
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N1m is definately a scam. I created a fake profile with a crappy song called "the dunk shake" and got 10 replies of people telling me the dunk shake is there favorite song. We need to expose these as$holes. UD1
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Numberonemusic is FAKE!! the only people that post good things for them are in on the scam! You sell your CD'S because of other outlets you use, NOT Numberonemusic! The email accounts they use are part of fake batches they set up on different email sites. A batch is a series of accounts in incruments of 50 to 1000. ie: email.com, fastmail.com, yahoo.com gmail.com etc... They also use some kind of location and name generator to fake adresess and listening locations. They also use outside the US email services. The stats are fake and the most listeners that sign up are muscians testing to out and some random people that find the site. DONT SIGN UP HERE. Unfortunatly because of the state of music sales formally legitmate people are having to use decetful acts...not that it was that much different before... but still. I use the internet for my music marketing and I know a FAKE when I see one. I hope I helped some of you out from wasting your money!!
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I just got this email from N1M-
I'm sceptical, and will check it with myspace.com before I even think about parting with cash....
"Greetings N1M member!
We've got some exciting news for you!
NumberOneMusic.com has teamed up with the biggest network MySpace.com to bring
the greatest opportunity of promotion for unsigned & independent artists/bands.
Did You ever think of getting plays, views and friends as fast as Majors do?
Here is your chance to represent your music to a HUGE audience.
Our E-Team with the help of MySpace insiders will do their best to get thousands of
impressions to your MySpace profile . All you need to do is to sort out your inbox messages,
comments and approve your friends but N1M E-Team even can take care of it for a small
additional fee.
This Promo campaign can be broken down by age, gender, geographic location,
lifestyle/interests and the list goes on. This allows us to send DIRECT targeted requests on
behalf of our clients - to the exact audience they are trying to reach.
We have only 10 spots available for this kind of promotion per month.
So hurry up to reserve your spot!
we'd like to take this opportunity to offer you the packages which are guaranteed to provide
the best solution for your promotional needs.
ver.1.0 MySpace Promo Campaign 'Test Waters'
1 week period - $350
copy and paste it in your browser to purchase
https://www.2checkout.com/2co/buyer/purchase?sid=305477&quantity=1&product_id=3
ver.2.0 MySpace Promo 'Massive exposure'
4 weeks period + one E-submission to over 50,000 music fans
of your genre within NumberOneMusic.com community - $1050 save $350 or one week of promotion
for free!
copy and paste it in your browser to purchase
https://www.2checkout.com/2co/buyer/purchase?sid=305477&quantity=1&product_id=4
Please, do not hesitate to contact us for any additional info.
Best Regards,
NumberOneMusic.com Team"
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I signed up for the 6 month deal with N1M as well. I send my Newsletter out from my e-mail. I don't use their manager. I have had a few bounce-back e-mails but I have had feedback. Of course like a lot of you I have not sold any CD's as a result of N1M.
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I've been a member for YEARS... TONS OF alleged song plays... TONS of alleged sign ups... NO CD SALES & LOTS OF BOUNCED BACK EMAILS!
THIS POP SUPERHERO SAYS: SAVE YOUR MONEY.
GIRL POWER... STRENGTH THROUGH UNITY!
JULIAN aKa CCG POP SUPERHERO
PopSuperhero.com
PowerofPink.com
Velvetchokers.com
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NumberOneMusic.com sent me dozens of "fans" wanting to sign up for my website, but none of them were real. I tried to email these people but got no kickbacks, no nothing. This is email fraud, and these jackasses should be prosecuted.
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Ever notice how EVERYONE who signs up gets alot of plays and mailing list signups??? Come on!!! Are we supposed to believe that no one that signs up for N1M.com has crappy music???
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On that note, PLEASE do let us know if you put a profile up on there and DON'T get a million plays!!!! We should make really crappy music and make a profile on there called: _insert stupid band name here_ and see if we get 200 mailing list sign-ups a day!!!
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| by JC
on Wednesday September 05 2007 @ 02:29PM PDT [ reply | parent ] |
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Yup, the site seems very fake indeed. Anyone who believes it's real is in some serious denial and very wanting that there is a lot of people miraculously loving your music out there.
We've been on MySpace.com and Purevolume.com for awhile now. MySpace.com sees our most hits due to our advertising of it.
http://www.purevolume.com/heartofslate
http://www.myspace.com/heartofslate
Just recently, we receive an email from N1M saying we need to sign into our account. Okay, first of all, we never signed up for an account here, so they created it themselves. Second of all, one of our songs on there is not available for download anywhere on the net. We only have two sites where you can LISTEN to it, but you cannot download it, which means in order to have obtained it, they would have had to have downloaded it illegally and put it on their site.
My music is copyrighted, so I'd have half a mind to want to try to sue them for illegally uploading my music without authorization.
The description layout of the N1M profile was identical to my purevolume.com account, word for word. I have trimmed it a bit since.
Like everyone else, our first view of the site revealed several mailing list sign ups and many plays. But why? Why is this site of all sites getting so many hits, fan sign ups and plays, more so than the sites we even advertise? There was no reason to believe any of it was genuine.
It was quite obvious straight off the bat that this was a scam, a site that gives you fake hits and plays so that you'll want to pay for a pro account. Let's face it, any site that lead you to believe it was giving you tons of exposure, you're going to WANT to pay them to get even more. Because if your free account is getting that much hits, surely you'll get a hell of a lot more with their pro account, right?
Except I wasn't born yesterday. It would be different if we were generally popular on all our other sites, but we're not. You CANNOT find our band on N1M without looking very, VERY deeply into their artist lists, or by looking us up by name. Considering we're not famous, there is no reason to believe there are hundreds of people from around the whole world magically finding our band site so easily amongst hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of other bands.
And what's up with the rating system? Every band I've come across, including our own, and including bands that just have pure nonsense for music, has the same general score next to their songs. A 4 and a half star rating. I don't care how good you think your music is, it's statistically impossible that every song is going to get people voting that high all the time. Never mind the fact that 90% of the bands on there HAVE exactly that rating for all their songs.
And what's really to an advantage of this site? Your mailing list is the biggest joke. On MySpace or PureVolume you can really look at who is on your list of people who have favorited you, or added you. You can determine if they're real or not. The N1M site does not show on your main page how many people you have signed up for, and when you look at it yourself, it's just a very bland, long list of faceless names. On Purevolume.com, when people sign up for your band and site, you can view their account. It lists their age, personal websites (IE myspace or facebook), other favorite bands, pictures of themselves, their friends and comments. They have REAL pages you can check out. Not this BS simple string per user "John Doe from Australia - johndoe@randomemail.com"
The site is a scam... so painfully obvious a scam. Beam back down to reality for those who think your constant hits after buying a paid for account actually mean anything. I'm not saying that it's not possible that there are a few genuine listeners who may have come across your site, but what's the point in paying for and paying attention to an account that won't give you any realistic stats on your music, nor even sales on your music? It's completely and utterly pointless.
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Folks NumberOneMusic is a SCAM...or more like very shady company from Russia. We appeared on there not by choice but they stole our www.purevolume.com/usversusthem page and code and made a UVT profile on there. Not that we mind, but it looked pretty odd that we already had over a thousand listens, almost 100 on our mailing list and dozens and dozens on votes on each song...yeah...too good to be true... I never heard of this site...but there is no way to prove that they are rigging the numbers. However I would not pay for this site and I would ignore it...leave your music up there if you choose I doubt it will hurt you...but really guys...spend your money on proven sites like Purevolume or Myspace.
Matt
Us Versus Them
www.myspace.com/usversusthemband
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Hey Wasssup world!! We just have reached 3'000 mark CDs sold internationally!!! haha what a feeling to be independent. thank you CDBaby for the great work and thank you numberonemusic for the GREAT fans!
peace
Ken
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Haha... to the poster above me...Ken you are an idiot.
After questioning NumberOneMusic on CD Baby and emailing the company themselves asking how so many unknown groups get so many listens and fans...guess what?
They deleted us off their site! I find it kinda funny that they are the only website I've come across in all my years which put you on and take you off at their own whims. Note: we never chose to be on there, they just ripped our Purevolume profile off.
Too bad no American band can sue them because they are based in Russia. They give a false hope to struggling musicians and take their money. I find that absolutely terrible and those a-holes should get the money they made off their god awful excuse for a music website and site shut down for good.
Matt from Us Versus Them
http://www.purevolume.com/usversusthem
To bands: if you want real exposure choose a site that is known worldwide like Purevolume or Myspace.
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LOL, I also got a email form them...
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I mean, I never signed up there and the songs are those on my purevolume account, 2 of them suck... old shit :( Don´t think it reaches 463 plays as they claim :) I dont can load that site now, seems to be offline...
Frank (Band: Alpha Quadrant) from Germany
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| by JC
on Tuesday September 18 2007 @ 02:45PM PDT [ reply | parent ] |
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Not surprisingly, after our "test period" finished (the test period that we got an email trying to tell us we need to sign up for a pro account before it expires), our account receives little to no hits, compared to the hundreds of hits and plays we were receiving during the time where they were trying to pressure us into buying a pro account.
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It's a fake operation, period. don't be fooled.
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I tried the free 30 day trial because my musician friends were bragging about how well-recieved their music had been, and that they owed it all to the site. So I did just that, not uploading music or pics, just leaving the blank site up. Within 5 minutes it had 100 hits. Where did these people find my site? It had been up for 5 minutes, and I know that no mass e-mail went out alerting everyone to my existence.
I'd also like to point out that numberonemusic.com totes the idea that you will have increased exposure... But take a look at the Myspace pages of some of the people on there. NO PLAYS PER DAY. Maybe less than 10 if they're lucky. Would you really have us all believe that, if you music has been played 22,000 times, if you have 10,000 people on your mailing list, that NOT ONE of the people goes to your myspace page to check it out?
While not everyone who is a real person will respond to your mailing list if you post that you want responses with "I AM REAL" in the subject line, the proof is in the pudding:
It's statistically and logically impossible for someone to have 30,000 plays on numberonemusic.com and less than 1,000 total plays on myspace. In the real world, if a person really likes an artist, they search around the net for their existence. They add them to their myspace page. They go to their official website to read their latest news.
Clearly this is an intelligently engineered scam posed to lure musicians, people who struggle with exposure and a lust for fame and fortune, into buying the IDEA that they are well-received without garnering any actual attention. It makes people feel like they've found an easy solution to the problems involved with being a struggling musician. And what do you do when you think you've found an easy solution to your problems? You send them more money to keep getting plays... and validation. Simple psychology.
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You are damm right, and now I have not been able to access the N! site for a few days and I am worried about my investment!!
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Phil,
I tried to click on the link you provided, but even after signing up for the UKBands site, I couldn't access the forums. Can you please give me more info? I have my suspicions about N1M, so any additional info you can provide would be appreciated.
Also, do any of the previous posters have any updates to share?
Thanks.
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yeah, i've had the account for about a month, with no subscription at all, and we've received hundreds of plays a day - and several dozen subscribers to our mailing list, most of which are bogus email addresses. i'm sure the sight is legit, but the numbers are definately all fluff. i'm not impressed.
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So i have been on the numberonemusic site for almost a year now. ive been wondering about the hype of the numbers and whatnot. so what i did was get the biggest package they had. the 200 dollar one. then i took all my music off the site and sat back to watch. now with this amount invested i was supposed to get a thousand myspace friend requests every month. so i let it go for a whole month. first off my plays continued getting about 500 to 1000 plays a day.... with no music uploaded. then after a whole month i had gotten 56 myspace friend reuests. good to see my dollars hard at work for me. i promtly went researching some more into this site and the fraud side of things. i got up with 2co and the fraud department. much thanks to stoneman for the example and lead on this. this site is too good to be true and is in every way a scam and a shame. but i say test it out for yourself. pull your music off and see. i am sure they are going to do something to fix that bug soon where it dosent generate random stats with no music up but as of right now they havnt. to all you who have taken action against this company.. i salute you.
Jared
www.myspace.com/theforevertakeback
www.purevolume.com/theforevertakeback
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Numberonemusic seemed to be great, seemed to be legitimate at first. I googled some of the names of the sign-ups and they were real people. Some people responded to my emails out (of their cleimed 10,000 mail outs I would get about 5 effusive responses but NO sales, or hits on my CD Baby page). I had the golden $50 a yr membership.
I think what is going on is that things are massively inflated, the golden membership people like me get higher fake stats than the rest.
I got NO reviews and that is strange as people usually like to review songs if they like them.... so I agree, all up it is a scam.
Actually now it has been having "server problems" and been totally offline for several days.
Jess :(
www.cdbaby.com/jessicapaige :)
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How the heck do you cancel your account with NumberOneMusic? I've emailed them, but they never respond. There is no option on their site for canceling. I don't want to continue to be charged a monthly fee for their "services". Do I have to contact the BBB?? This is really frustrating.
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Hi There
I have not been able to get hold of anyone at Numberonemusic but was able to cancel my account through http://www.2checkout.com/. N1 use these guys to handle payments. You'll need the transaction statement off your last payment. I suggest Sending another mail to N1 at the same time so they know what you are doing. N1 did nothing until I contacted these guys but have still not responded to any of my emails or let me know what was happening with my account.
I'm still trying to get a refund but I think it's gonna be a struggle.
hope this helps
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I have been with numberonemusic.com for about 7 months and I'm apparently 3rd in the Funk genre.
Everybody around the world is feeling my music (so it seems - GREAT FEELING)
I'm hungry as hell so I decide to get the diamond membership ($149) which includes myspace requests for freinds. I have gotten quite a few friends requests from this!! I added them, but when I click on them, They only have one picture of themselves and no comments! Every last single one. I don't know what to do. Now I have to sift through all these requests to see whose real and whose not real. There was one particular dude that I got friend requests from using the same pic but under a different name. I have him 6 times in my pages under 6 different names! That's what drew my attention. My numbers are hot but are they real?? I know these bastards that are getting added to my page aren't! I even tried to write that guy through myspace and it was bullshit. So, I know for a fact that the myspace friends are fake. Somebody took an awful lot of time to make these profiles look so convincing. Well, the bright side is you can easily be googled and it makes it look like you are kicking ass! Remember the phrase "Fake It until You Make It" ? For a small monthly fee, they will take care of the "Fake It" part! It makes you visualize what you really can become. If you can see it, you can do it. Can you really be pissed? Somebody please comment!
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Jaystorm .. perception is reality is most cases, that is for sure. The "Fake it until you make it" addage is all fine and dandy, but if everybody knows your vehicle for faking it is a scam .. it defeats the purpose.
I too have been getting the myspace requests from people with one picture, and no comments .. totally fake profiles. Numberonemusic is a scam people. A well crafted and very deliberate scam. It's amazing that with all the testimonials from people on this particular thread saying it's a scam, how many people are so enamored with their N1M stats enough to try and find a reason to believe it's real. Just goes to show how good of a scam it is.
My band has a Garageband.com profile, and we get actual feedback from actual people. We of course have to either pay them to get our songs reviewed, or earn credits by reviewing other songs. Sure sometimes it's a pain in the ass to review a bunch of crappy music, but at least it's legit and truly builds community between bands internationally.
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You have been bamboozaled...It's true.
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I would honestly say that N1M is dishonest and offers a really poor service.
I have used their site since 2005 and had loads of signups, hits etc but not much else. Trying to get a reply from their customer service - lord, I could get a reply from The Queen quicker and at least she does write in the end whereas N1M never do.
I started to get suspicious after my brother signed up and I noticed we were getting the same people signing up. I then set up a second account using a different name but exactly the same music and pictures. The only difference was the name. Well, either there are a lot of very simple people in the US, UK, EU and AUS or this is a complete scam. I was getting the same people signing up for both and writing to both names with the same comments. Now, surely they would have spotted that they were listening to the same songs and looking at the same person in the pics - so therefore writing to exactly the same person.
I have had emails from people saying that they never signed up to me and asked where I got their email address from. I was even put on some damn SPAM page and trashed by the writer there for apparently SPAMMING loads of people on my mailing list. I used the list to contact people via my CD Baby account and was told by CD Baby that they had received a lot of SPAM complaints. This was the mailing list the N1M claimed were people signing up from my N1M account because they "liked" me so much.
The Myspace Diamond Membership with N1M is also a con. After several months of writing to N1M I still have seen no friend signups as they "guarantee" but strangely over 30,000 hits without plays???
I decided to do a bit of digging and think I may have found how N1M are doing at least some of their tricks. TRAFFIC EXCHANGE! I decided to signup to them because they are all free and see what happens. On some of these sites you can add up to 100 web address that will get hits all day as long as you "auto-surf". I decided to leave that running in the background and by the end of the day I was up to about 7000 hits owed to me even though I had not actually seen one of the websites.
It was not until I turned on my speakers the following day whilst running this traffic exchange that I noticed something - MUSIC and loads of it. It was noise to be honest because there were pages that just had row after row of players playing different tracks all at the same time. I checked out some of them and I found them on N1M and Myspace with lovely hit rates - what a surprise! So there was me not actually listening to any of those songs but giving them 1000s of hits or plays a day. Now I know why some do so well on Myspace with their near million plays and how N1M can claim so many page hits but yet I have never heard of any of the bands or artists before.
I am starting to think the entire web is a con because there are so many ways to fake it with buying traffic or just using free traffic exchanges. I saw quite a few well known sites on these exchanges with Myspace music being a major one. When I see an artist with a huge amount of hits I will never be able to take that seriously unless they are very well known already.
I think this all comes down to ego. We all want to be heard and loved by people around the world so we happily fall for Myspace and N1M when in truth how on earth can it be realistic that a singer or band, that has never been heard of, expect to be seen amongst millions of Myspace profiles or played so much on N1M? I am just as guilty. I fell for it all because I really wanted to believe it. I was out doing James Blunt who is an established and successful act - come on!!! If I was that good then surely I would be where he is instead, LOL!!! I have even seen people on Myspace doing better than huge stars such as Madonna - now that has to be a joke but yet these unsigned rather unheard of acts believe it entirely and think they are globally known and loved by millions and yet seem to still be without a contract and can still walk down the street without being recognised. Where are these millions of fans living then? If you can be more popular than Madonna then you would be so famous you would stink of it. I think there are all signs of scamming and conning. N1M and Myspace are just cluttered with so many bands and people that to be found amongst them is almost impossible but like sheep we follow the crowd and sign up because we believe them to hold the key.
These companies are just money spinning and care nothing for their members. There is only one way to get noticed by the masses - self promotion and marketing hard. I cannot see anyone ever making it to the big time via Myspace or N1M.
I think people should just set up their own sites, use Adwords or something and get real people to your site. Cut out these middle men who are just stealing your money and mine. It will cost more doing it the way I suggest but then perhaps that is the point - you get what you pay for.
Good luck to you all and sorry about the rant but I get so angry over how much these money grubbers play on our emotions and desires. I am waiting to hear that Facebook have jumped on the unsigned music bandwagon soon. We are easy pickings.
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I just had to let you people know. I got an email from NumberOneMusic today about my Diamond Membership and the reason they cannot do any friend requests. They have told me to switch off the CAPTCHA setting. That is the best joke I have had from them. Why would you need to turn that off? Are the friends they are going to send me unable to read and write? They are obviously going to use a bot to do it. Oh lovely I would get loads of fake friends to go with my fake email addresses and fake hits, LOL!! Thank God I can laugh at such stupidity.
All the best to you all.
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What's up Sage? do you work for N1M?
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Sage HAS to work for N1M. He has inside information that he could not possibly get just from "having fun." And even if he is for real, why has he devoted his life to the cause of protecting the good name of a website? Way too suspicious.
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for all of you that is new to n1m, beware!!!
i am a casulty of n1m, and can contest that they are a ripoff! absolutly no reply and no phone # to reach them. from my exp. if a portal does'nt have a phone #, stay away!!! call me stupid, but im out $300. looks good at first, than they sucker you in! hope this helps, and i hope the feds shut them down!
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Number One Music is definitely a scam.
Their promotion appears to be based on fake Myspace profiles:
I received this message on my Myspace band page:
You Music!
Now you no longer have to spend many hours per day to promote your music
on the net.
All YOU have to do is to focus on your music and our E-TEAM will take care of the rest!
Our E-Team has over 14'000 members and continues to grow 5 to 50 new members daily. Each of our E-Team members has a personal MySpace profile
and handles around 40 contacts per day.
This kind of promotion strategy works very effectively with both established artists/bands and with developing ones. In the other words, we are using 'word-to-mouth' system, meaning when a member of our E-Team keeps direct contact with a potential fan, it also has a chain-reaction effect.
What You Can Get:
* 350 requests to visit your myspace profile daily
* Promote your Myspace page to 10,000 fans of your genre with just one click.
* We do not require access to your MySpace account and guarantee that
your account will not be blocked or deleted.
www. NumberOneMusic. com
The message came from this page:
www.myspace.com/220555047
These spam profiles appear to be the only ones that accept friend requests and comments.
Out of suspicious curiosity (if it sounds too good to be true it probably is) I signed up for the trial account.
Within days I was getting loads of plays, votes and mailing list signups. Now I got REALLY suspicious:
How did all these listeners find our profile?
- We didn't appear on the front page.
- In the chart lists we were buried right at the bottom.
- I hadn't done ANY networking to promote that profile.
- There was no method of getting directly to our page without doing a specific search.
Sorry. Not possible. It's simple common sense that you don't get something for nothing.
I googled numberonemusic.com scam and found lots of forum posts (including this one) about suspicious feedback and bouncing e-mails.
So I decided to investigate the Myspace profiles on my mailing list. Here is a list of the ones that have 'signed up' so far:
www.myspace.com/188189359
www.myspace.com/314344227
www.myspace.com/314346808
www.myspace.com/188190587
www.myspace.com/188500261
www.myspace.com/314352016
www.myspace.com/314309997
www.myspace.com/188111049
www.myspace.com/188399436
www.myspace.com/263780501
www.myspace.com/1000581189
www.myspace.com/1000764309
www.myspace.com/201428968
www.myspace.com/201428968
www.myspace.com/188401346
www.myspace.com/188183135
www.myspace.com/201027992
www.myspace.com/188112599
www.myspace.com/188481070
www.myspace.com/312736988
www.myspace.com/220555047
They ALL share most of the following characterstics:
* Numerical address rather than a name (this is a BIG clue for a fake profile dedicated to spam/scams)
* ONE photo (probably lifted from another profile)
* NO comments
* NO personal / local friends in top friends list
* Nearly all friends are bands signed up on Number One Music - but with no genre coherence (all musical styles mixed together). This profile , for example has Jazz, Hip Hop, Metal and Folk in it's top friends (not likely):
www.myspace.com/201428968
* All of these profiles share THE SAME FRIENDS (usually between 100 and 300).
* The design of the page doesn't reflect any musical taste (no band logos/photos/related artwork). This is also very unusual for someone who has signed up as a music fan/listener.
ONE of these features would be suspicious. ALL of them means the profiles are 100% fake. If you don't believe me, please check out the list of Myspace links above.
This probably means that Number One's only activities on Myspace are sending spam and adding band friends to the fake profiles.
Number One Music could only work if well intentioned, REAL listeners signed up and started networking and I haven't found any doing this.
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Is anybody else in here getting a bunch of plays on their MySpace profiles lately?
We, like many, have been skeptical of N1M due to the fact that with the sheer numbers of traffic we're getting on our N1M profile, there had to be a percentage of those people that would seek our our MySpace profile; and there isn't.
We've endured the fake MySpace profile friend requests like everybody else, but we never saw an increase in the plays our MySpace player was getting.
We typically get maybe 10 plays a day on MySpace. On Saturday we had 548 at noon when I looked, and not a single more the rest of the day. Every day since, we've had 180 plays when I check for the first time. Always 180.
Anybody else think N1M has now found a way to jack up everybody's play count to make them thing their exposure is legit?
Anybody? Bueller? Anybody?
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Hi I am Al in Soul Purpose
www.soiledporpoise.com
We have used N1M for a few months now. I am strictly using it for my own personal entertainment right now. To me it is very fishy. I am going to post actual email I have been getting back, and you judge for yourself. Even I don't thing we are this good!!!
Hello SP!
i jst wanted to say "Your melody is so sweet, I can`t stop listening to it"!!!! Do you think i can become a poet?:)
BTW who is writing lyrics for you? I love the Cool ya down! It sounds so nice to me!
before i found you, i didn`t know that artists could be sooo brilliant! and have such a breath-taking sound!
Sending you my love and kisses, Elliott!
PAt! I cant forget the day you popped up in my life! It was something special! Thanks to my elder sister, i`m here writing you mails and wishing Health, Wealth and all the very Best! No doubt, you will make the grade! Just never give up! Love, Sarah!
duuuuude! guys!!!! I just heard your song 'big mouth' for the fisrt time tonight and it was INSANE!!! i loved it, amazing. seriously, i hope you guys are going to create much more new COOL songs !!!!good luck on your future career and congradulations on signing such AMAZING songs:)! YYAY! but when you guys get all famous and everything, remember your first fans :] cause we will remember you! ALWAYS! MUI CHEUNG
Hello my friends!!! I wish we were real friends, like, you know, hanging out together:) If you, guys, make a show in our region, I promis to arrange the best party Ever! The Huge one! Just come and play for us!@ I`m loving your tunes so bad!!! Let`s kick up the heels together!!! Chad
That Last one had me laughing for days.
Lets kick up the heels together...BWAHAHAHA
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Hi Fans, This is for an artist I think is the next thing.
I just started selling his music on AmieStreet.com, and to kick things off they are giving our fans $5 to download our music.
All you have to do is click on the link below to get $5 to download our music or songs from tens of thousands of other great independent artists.
Just click the link below and you'll be all set!
http://amiestreet.com/_l/cdbabygift
Best,
Babe Ruth
Home Run Hitter
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NumberOneMusic - Our Experience:
As soon as we signed up we got the 'I like your music emails' for a few days and a large amount of 'plays' on our page on their site. It looked good initially. But over time we saw no proof of any sales in relation to our music leading to any sales or real interest.
Against our better judgment we renewed for with them. That’s when things got worse..
They were paid, but never activated our account. So we sent them 10+ polite emails, to all the email addresses on their site requesting assistance and asking someone to respond. No one did. It was only after we got the 3rd party transaction company involved that they eventually responded to us with that 'our site been hacked' email at which point we finally got our
money back.
By now we were very dubious that they were actually doing anything of use so we checked our ‘fan’ base’ as listed on their site and sent out an email to several hundred of our ‘supposed’ fans offering a free CD for those that responded. We got no response. If you were a fan of a band
would you turn down a free CD?!! Only if you didn’t really exist!
At this point we can seen no benefit from paying these people for a service that does not seem to exist. It really feels like all you are
buying is fake fans and making someone rich.
We no longer deal with them and will not deal with them again.
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if u think this n1m is real your a fool.
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NUMBERONEMUSIC.COM IS DEFINETLY A SCAM:
At first it's awesome to constantly recieve 4-5 Star ratings on your music, and be gaining 'fans' world-wide. You really want to believe it's true.
However, I started becoming very suspicious when
I hadn't been getting barely ANY website visits to my official website, and literally no sales from the site or the 'fans' when there were a lot of 'fans' 'asking where to buy the cd', with no responses to my emails..
Here are some of the following 'fan' mails I got. (they are all VERY similar in content)
"Hi
I absolutely love your music.
It made my day when I got to visit your numberonemusic page.
I hope the road to success is treating you amazing.
Mike"
"your tracks are absolutely amazing.
:]"
"Hi I listen to you everyday, and I wanted to let you know how great your music is!
So much for my sappy comment :)"
My thought about this comment :
Interesting.. they claim to 'listen to my music everyday' but didn't buy my cd OR respond to my email, which you think a REAL fan would be excited to do..
"I just wanted to say that I love your music. Y'are really amazing!"
"Thanks for all the great music!!"
"Hello!So where can I buy your album?"
My thought about this comment:
After personally emailing this 'person' back,
I didn't recieve an album sale, OR a response, at all.
"Andy!! your music is pure amazing!! thanks for making life more fun to live"
My thought about this comment:
Making life more fun to Live? SOOO Fake and Bullshit.
"so refreshing to hear something original once in a while, really, thanks for that!
:) "
"Love your music....anything new coming out?"
My thought about this comment:
Again, after personally emailing them back and telling them where to buy my album, did not
recieve an album sale, and did not get a response back, at all.
"I listened the music and it is great! :)
I posted a bulletin on myspace telling all my friends about you!"
My thought about this comment:
No. they didn't. if they were a true fan that was on myspace, they would have made sure to add me as a friend on myspace. I have not had a SINGLE friend request on myspace that said they were from numberonemusic.com, or that is the site they found me through. (and in my profile I say add me as a friend on myspace and include my myspace address; was very clear about that and sent several mass emails to the 'fans' about it.)
"I have visited your numberonemusic and myspace site today and I really enjoyd your music!!
i'm not using myspace too often but you can reach me by email anytime.
Please, keep me updated i will listen to all your music keep up the wonderful work!
take care,
Your New FAN Jake
p.s. send me some kind of welcome message, so i know you got this one... thxxxx
:)) and I'll spread the word!"
My thought about this comment:
yet again, what appears to be another excited fan who wants to be updated on my work and even specifically says to contact 'him' through email, yet never responded after I emailed 'him' personally.
"What up Andy Stephan ! First thanks for adding me. Im feelin the vibez much better now... Ya style is CRAZY, Rare and Unmatched.. DO the damn thing Andy Stephan ..
"Just wanted to show you some love...Hope ya week is GREAT:)....PEACE..Claudio "
"Just Passin By to Say that you are the Best!!!
Awesome Music! Thank You for bringing Pleasure to my Ears!!!
if You Ever come to my City, i'm def. hittin' Up the Show,
and i'll drag All my Friends along to show Them the FUCKING AMAZINGNES
S of Andy Stephan ! I wish you the Best for ur Future to Come!!!"
my thought about this comment:
This 'fan' even claims to want to see 'my show' although the only music I have right now is hiphop/R&B instrumentals with no vocals.
"howdy fella. i jus figured i'd holler at ya'n let u know
i think ur music's awesome man. i make tracks of my own
and u been a big inspiration to me. keep it real man. holla at me when u can."
my thought about this comment:
this comment came from "Susan". doesn't even sound like a woman talking, and again, no response whatsoever.
Even the names of the people and email addresses sound Fake as f*ck. Notice the identical comments of 'absolutely' 'amazing' and the use of smiley-faces.,
Not Even ONE single Email with a hint of criticism like 'your music is great but so-&-so could be worked on'.
It's all fake, bullshit.
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Fake Fake Fake....I'm ont numberonemusic since 4days, i had 500 visits a day...I couldn't believe it, i received a few mails and i found that everybody receive the same...I just answered to one and found out Andy Stephan received exactly the same!!
Who are these guys ? There is no music or Art feeling in their work, just f"ckin business! It's a shame and i hope they will disappear.
I try to reach their site but it's impossible today. A great day if they had to shut down due to our reactions.
Carpe Diem
http://www.mindspliteffect.tk
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Pure SCAM! Stay away. Computer generated emails. Fake "praise" emails to fool you into buying a membership.
Fans from all over the world will flock up to your fan list daily.
Not one valid email address. Not one single response from numberonemusic.com staff.
You will never make a dime through them.
I'm starting a scam investigation on them with Governament agencies. I hope they get shut down.
My page was numberonemusic.com/stance
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| by GR
on Friday February 27 2009 @ 04:01PM PST [ reply | parent ] |
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Well, I only did one month of paying these people cause I wanted to experience it myself. I got an email from a guy in Russia, (now I know why, the site is in Russia) asking me for a press kit for radio spins...I never sent it.
I just sent out an email to see if people would respond. One through the site and I sent 1 email to a random person who signed up.
I did read in the fine print that people are hired randomly as music fans and they do work for them BUT they have to fill out a survey to stay on the street team and they win prizes.
So my comments were somewhat like the others but a little different. I only got response in the first few days and was in the #2 spot behind FALL OUT BOY for a couple days in my genre for 7 day charts....I see that was to reel me in...
But after seeing what a lot of people are saying it looks like a scam for sure and the fake plays are crazy. I called the people that handle the payments and they have over 3000 satisfied regular customers so maybe some people have success? Let's see 3000 x $12 = $36,000 per month on average....split between 6 people on staff? I don't know...all I know is I am skeptical and definitley don't want to send these people any more money..I figure what's $12 bucks? Thank God that is it.
It is a shame that people prey on musicians. You know it is really sad that some people are so starved to be famous. I saw a guy's name on here that I know( he doesn't know I saw this comment) but he is relentlessly trying to be famous instead of enjoying playing music. That poor guy has spent 1,000s of dollars on scams and is still doing it after 15 years of "wanting to be a star." He gets turned down at all auditions I've ever seen. It beats me how you can be so blind and keep trying to do something that you are not very good at.
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| by GR
on Friday February 27 2009 @ 04:04PM PST [ reply | parent ] |
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Oh, and how do they get the signed artists on their page? I am curious if those are real or fake. That seems fishy to me.
No one has ever emailed me back either....total scam.
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First of all - Thank you to all the Sherlock Holmes that's been investigating this! I've also been fooled by N1M. I did however get my money back, mostly thanks to Stoneman's posts here and on ukbands.net, but it took about 2˝ months.
As you all say, it seems legit at first, so they're obvioulsy good at what they're doing. I don't see myself as one that is fooled in a second, but maybe I am... :S
I also tried to communicate with N1M, but with no luck. Their standard reply to everything seems to be that they need a couple of days to investigate, but they never do.
A few days before I got my money back, they tried to bribe me. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
I'm so frustrated and angry. It doesn't matter that I got my money back,
On the subject of signed artists, there's some fishy things as well.
I've been looking at a lot of signed artists profiles.
1. None of them has any info under the shows tab or any photos.
2. As many has said before, during your first free month, you get a lot of plays and profile views. If you pay, the numbers will continue to increase. So, if you look at Weezer or the Offspring, their account says "Full member", and they have alot of plays and profile views. If you search for Coheed and Cambria, their account status is not full member. They have less plays and profile views than I had in a couple of months. Maybe N1M forgot to tag C&C as a full member.....?
C&C has some touring info on their "Bio". It's from 2007 though. The photos on the bio page is linked to "http://www.msplinks.com....." which is strange, since that is a MySpace link. It seems as if someone just copied the html from MySpace?
3. You can list all lablels on N1M. The Weezer profile is not connected to any label, but their Bio says "Join the Geffen mailing list..." bla bla bla. If you look at the label list, you have one label called "Geffen, UZI Suicide, Best Buy". Guns 'n' Roses is the only artist connected to that "label" on N1M. Isn't it strange that Geffen doesn't have Weezer listed under thier label as well instead of just register them as an unsigned act? The same goes for the Offspring, no label info.
4. The bio on AC/DC seems to be stolen from http://www.rocklopedia.com/2008/04/05/acdc/.
5. AC/DC is listed under Columbia/Sony Music on N1M. If you click that label in the labels list, you get no results. Great work, N1M.
6. There are very few signed artists, and only one (from what I can see) on every established label in the N1M label list.
7. Avenged Sevenfold's bio contains info on "City of Evil", released in 2005. There's been some news since then, I'm pretty sure of it.
8. Panic at the disco's Bio seems to be taken from http://www.purevolume.com/ with no html adaptation what so ever. I get javascript errors. http://www.numberonemusic.com/panicatthediscp/bio. The same story goes for The Killers.
The info must be from 2007 or 2008 since it mentions the Honda Tour.
Both The Killers and Panic has a lot of photos on Pure Volume. The Killers has a lot of shows as well, both not shows nor photos on N1M.
I could go on forever, but what's important is that there's no way in hell that so many established labels would present their bands in such a sloppy way on one site when everything is top notch everywhere else.
I'm sorry for my english by the way. I have a lot to say but it's hard to translate everything the way I'd want to.
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The www.NumberOneMusic.com site must be a well orchestrated SCA...so don't Waste your time with them. I joined 17 days ago for a Free Trial period of 30 days and like so many of you only get Replies from "Fans" through their Server who are on the Mailing List in response to a Newsletter Email I sent out...but when I have Emailed this same group I get no replies. So I think these crooks are just telling the songwriters what they want to hear...and lots of you have Quality music posted on their site.
I also noticed that there hasn't been an increase in my Myspace activity or Friend Requests which points to the fact that this must be a Computer
Scam especially if the Company is based in Russia.
That says it ALL...So, I will take another strategy in terms of my musical career. I have MySpace pages for numerous countries and know the
difference. These have been great Threads to read, Thanks for writing the TRUTH about these Scum-Bags...
But don't lose Faith in your own Music as a result. Keep writing & recording...
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In addition, at first I was getting lots of new "Fans" after my Music had been on their site for
10 days. But then today it has dropped off some and the Male/Female ratio has changed with the most recent 5-6 Newsletter Sign-ups. I was getting about 10 new "Fans" a day (about 70 a week). And all of the Praise Emails I got back were because I had sent out a Newsletter regarding "Song Remixes." Now logic tells us that out of 10 Emails, all of them won't be completely positive saying "I love your Music." So we are all getting "Laid" without getting kissed (so to speak). I will eventually make the progress I'm looking for out of sheer Tenaciousness with another strategy I assure you. There's so much Real talent in the songwriter's group of all Genres -- so I'm very proud to be one of you irregardless of the SCAMS encountered along the
way.
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