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| posted by Mark on Wednesday December 01 2004 @ 03:00PM PST |
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Emergenza claims to be a booking or scouting company based in Manhattan that can get bands or artists gigs at top venues throughout the States, including TLA in Philly, the Majestic in Detroit, the Metro in Chicago, the Roxy in Los Angeles, and the Bowery Ballroom in New York.
If Emergenza can do this, it sounds pretty great, but it's never that easy. Everyone knows that.
Has anyone dealt with this thing before?
What the hell is it?
I've tried to go to their website (http://www.emergenza.com) and it doesn't seem to work. That's what tipped me off.
-Mark
Check out Alex Nackman's two CDs on CD Baby at http://www.cdbaby.com/all/anackman
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Mark,
The Emergenza thing seems to be the real deal. Their website is:
http://www.emergenza.net/
Just thought I'd pass it along.
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it's a fucking joke! basically they charge you $70 to participate, claiming that it's a commitment fee and that you'll be compensated with some strings, picks, drum heads & sticks. what they fail to mention is that the compensation is only for the 1st 1000 bands, but there's a bazillion bans already involved so cancel that insentive. it's a popularity contest. the more tickets you sell to your friends to vote for you to move on to the next level is all that matters; nothing to do with talent. and none of the bands involved get payed or even a couple free drinks. i think even the venue gets shafted a bit. save your pesos. it's a big time scam. word on the street is that they pre-picked the finalist band before the final round is even finished. i, literally, just got home from playing one of these shit "festivals". WEAK!
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Who ever thinks that EMERGENZA is a fraud needs to think again. My band is in for the 2nd time around and our fan s have doubled every show. We are also in the Regional Finals in dallas, I won 1st place at the emergenza acousitc hero comp. and i am now going to New York for the National final. Yes you do have to pay $70 to enter and sell tickets but think about it like this you spend at least $70 going to your local shows and you have got to get people there to see you so you spend at least (IF YOU ARE REAL BAND) $200 in Promotion and that is still cheep and then you might have a good night and you might not and if you dont you have lost and not gained but with EMERGENZA you always win/ so when you say that it is a fraud think about your local shows or your out of town shows and do the math
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we've played an emergenza show before. your probably just bitter because you lost. Only the first show is based on croud response, after that there is a panel of judges that decides who moves on.
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SORRY EMERGENZA WAS NOT FOR YOU !! MAYBE YOU SHOULD ANALYZE YOU BANDS OVERALL SKILLS!! IT IS NOT REALLY A SHOW FOR GARAGE OR BASEMENT BANDS!! I WOULD SUGGEST REHEARSAL ..BECAUSE EMERGENZA IS FOR BANDS WITH MARKETABLE TALENT!! THE ELOQUENT FALLING IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THE QUALITY OF ARTIST EMERGENZA SEEKS TO PROMOTE!!
www.myspace.com/theeloquentfalling
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they are a damn joke. totally unfair judging system and biased judges in the finals. i was a member of a band that went to the united states finals of their "festival" and got 6th place due to unfair judging. all work and no play for these guys, they'll suck the money right out of you, and have you making more money for them through ticket sales. (which the bands are responsible for) you don't believe me? check it out. home grown m.o. is the name of the band. check myspace, and emergenza.net
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One of the bands I drum for is going to participating in this event in Cleveland... I attended the informational meeting and it seems very "on the level" ..probably one of the better events. They functioned in Europe for 14 years (if memory serves me..) and have been in the states for 2 or 3.
$70 registration fee, but you do get free merch/gear in exchange, sound check the afternoon of the show, full pro-level backline... it's actually pretty cool.
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I got an email too. Then I went digging through my website logs to see if there was any evidence of how it all came about.
What I found was a page referring to a bunch of Artists that are on IUMA. My Logs have rolled over since then so I can't find the page anymore.
Just based on how I was contacted(snaking the contact page and emailing every email address listed on the site)and the Venue in Cincinnati that is hosting it, I chose not to participate.
But I am curious to see how far someone from Cincy gets.
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i also got this thing. pretty impersonal, so i wasn't sure.
a separate but related question, has anyone heard of RPM? It claims to be a musica distribution company who will pay for CD manufacturing, once you sign on the dotted line, pay $700, etc. then they supposedly distribute your CD's to major retailers (Virgin Mega, Borders, Barnes & Noble, HMV, etc). is this even possible w/o the backing of a label?
HELP!
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Does RPM have a web site? I can't find anything on them.
->Later.....Spice
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Just going off of what you said RPM is fraud. There are scams like that all over the place. I got involved in one called CIG. They will take your money, give you emails telling you where to send your CDs, but you pay for everything. Then a person will contact you claiming to be from an A&R firm but they'll be asking for more money. It will continue in a circle and you will get no where. If you follow every step they way they want you to you will end up right where you started but out around $2,000. I'm scetchy about Emergenza- I still need to look into it deeper.
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Have heard a lot about Emergenza and the feeling from most
folks seems to be that it's legitimate.
But, the question still remains-- Is is worth your time?
Make sure you consider return on investment before getting
involved. Legitimate or not, that should be your bottom line.
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I just got 3 more emails today. But now the gmail spam filters are picking it up.
Again I don't exactly approve of their tactics. Harvesting email addresses from music websites and sending out mass emails is bottom feeder marketing.
And it makes me wonder about the quality of artists they are going to get since, the ones that have talent will generally run away from that stuff.
At least here in Cincinnati they will.
If this is an annual thing, who won last year?
I've got better ways to spend my time and effort.
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Mark; you said that "Emergenza claims to be a booking or scouting company based in Manhattan that can get bands or artists gigs at top venues throughout the States".
Could you please show me where you read that claim, because I've reviewed their website and quite a few other web-sources, and I can't find any such claim.
It appears to me that Emergenza organizes "battle of the bands" concerts around the world, with the only qualification being the willingness to pay the $70 fee.
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I'm pretty sure you have to be invited to play in their shows...thats how it worked for us
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I responded to the Emergenza opportunity but I live in a city that
is, to them, too far away to be considered because they are not
on the West Coast. Even after they sent me an email stating I
was 'not eligible' due to this fact. They continued to email me to
sign up. It appears you can submit through Sonicbids for this
event. I would contact Sonicbids and see if they can give you any
more particulars about who is really running that show.
Sonicbids has a lot of opportunities like this one, check them all
out. You may find a few that is better suited you like I have,
instead of this one.
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Hello everybody
Whatever you wish to know about Emergenza I may be
able to help you. My name is Massimo Scialo' and I'm
one of the two C.E.O. of the company worldwide.
Please try consider that the "contest" is the 30% of our
activity. It is important and we care very much about it
but is just thefirst step where we can meet and scout
bands.
Anyway. Thanks to those said good think about us.
We'll try to make our best.
M.
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they're for real. My nephew just won top guitarist in the national contest.
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Just like anything else with music, you can look at Emergenza in one of 2 pays:
1) Pissed off and angry because your band isn't paid enough or your draw isn't good enough.
2) As a great opportunity to move ahead, gain credibility, and separate your band from the riff-raff.
I bet most people who dislike the event lost, and most people who liked the event won.
My band played the first round and won last Saturday night and it was one of the greatest shows we've ever played. So here's what we got for $70 (only $14 per band member, less than 3 beers):
-One of the funnest nights ever.
-They did 100% of our seetup and sound for us- amps, drums, monitors, all we had to do was show up and rock.
-Instant credibility with our friends for actually winning!!
-A gig at one of San Francisco's top clubs (I've been trying to get in there for years).
-The owner of the club noticed us and asked us to come back and play more "real" gigs. This never would have happened otherwise.
-We got exposure to tons of new people who signed our email list.
-We get to play for an even bigger crowd at the same kickass venue at a later time for even more fun.
It's by audience vote. As a musician, you are an entertainer. If you entertain the crowd, you win. If you don't, you lose.
If you can get better shows or more exposure than Emergenza can provide, or if you can make money with your music without this kind of promotion, then by all means, do it. My band does not have that luxury.
Look. If you want to go anywhere with music, you got to do whatever it takes and LOVE every second of it without complaining about how things "should be" in life. Otherwise your bitterness will drive you out. Better for the rest of us who want to keep moving forward. They tell you up front there is a registration fee; you don't have to participate in the event if you don't want to.
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Thanks for the info. We called and they didn't specifically mention the $70 until you ask em. That is when I came across this and other comments about the "Emergenza scam" called back to cancel (cause I'm a nice guy) and when they asked if we wanted to reschedule I said "nah"...their agent laughed. They must get a lot of that (:
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Just got an email myself through Garage Band - but I cant sign up either way, rules are you must be in a band with at least 3 members all in which play a live instrument. I am a solo hip-hopo artist!!!
http://cdbaby.com/cd/scholar
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It's rediculous to think that anyone would buy into this kind of pay to play crap....
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Oh, and look at the band lineups for their shows.....You can play any venue you want, but ten unknown fashioncore bands on a bill aren't going to draw anyone.
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I'm just about to play for Emergenza here in Belgium on Friday 17th February. My first impressions are not very good. Some of the bands were invited to a technical meeting at 10 am at the Antwerp Music Office and the responsible only showed up at 10.40 am. I had to meet him at 10.30 am and I called as I wasn't sure if he'd come at all.
BUT! In reality you can allways use these events to invite concert organizers and the Emergenza sponsors are serious companies. I will play on a tube crate amp which I tried before, it is a price-quality amp. Those technitians there will have to satisfy the sponsors, so the sound will probably be good!
We paid 60 euros for this and we're selling tickets for 8.50 euros and I personally don't have any expectations apart from that the people I invited show up and book my band for this summer.
If you're interested in the outcome of this just drop me a line after this friday.
Greetings,
Gabor
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My band just qualified for the third round of the Emergenza
Festival. Basically, Emergenza is great if you go into it with
appropriate expectations. The $70 fee isn't bad at all. In fact my
band is up money on the whole thing because if you sell enough
tickets you get money back. We're about $50 up on the whole
thing and we've been able to play some great venues. True, you
make them a ton of money by getting your fans there though. If
you wanna do it, go for it and have fun with it. All in all it's been a
good experience so far.
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Hey, I just wanted to say that Emergenza has been great for me too. I was a little concerned about the $70 at first but considering the fact that my band has only been together about 6 months we've gotten a lot out of it so far. We've had the chance to meet a lot of other local musicians perform in front of a lot of people who wouldn't have heard us otherwize and play in some great venues. It's also been really motivating for us. We've had to learn come up with all kinds of ways to promote and it's really exciting to see the way people react to the shows. We've made it to round 3 so far and it looks like we have a good shot at getting to the finals. It is a huge competition and they do make a lot of money, but it's all been worth it for me.
As far as the competition goes, the bands that aren't so great usually don't make it past the first or second rounds. As was quoted to me, most people won't pay to see even their friends twice if they suck!
And in reguards to the person who commented on the "broken english" of the CEO, they're an Italian based company. Many of the "higher ups" that I've met speak more then two languages.
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Here are my thoughts on Emergenza. My band made it to the 3rd round in Chicago and were greatful for the opportunity. Since we are a newer band it was a great chance to get a show at the Double Door.
The problem is if you can sell enough tickets at $15 each to win then you simply do not need Emergenza for anything. I promise you that if I call the normal booking guy at any of these venues and he knows I can bring 150-200 people I will get a night without any problems. On top of that you get get to play a full set instead of only 25 minutes and you would also make more money. Oh yeah and tickets would be around $10 instead of $15 so even more would come out.
I guess the point is Emergenza is legit in the sense that they are not going to take your money and run but at the same time if you have a serious chance of advancing then most likely you are better off getting ahold of the right people and booking the show yourself. Personally if I could get 150 people out in a night I would not bother doing it for Emergenza.
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it's a scam they already have a pre chosen winner.my friend's band plus other bands with talent, were screwed by this ruse "fan voting" is fixed . no matter how many hands go up it's always down played on the website. my friend's band got voted to the final but all of a sudden they had to do one more semifinal show for some reason. guess what they lost to a band who had nothing to do with the regional contest. there is one for brooklyn and on for nyc. so this mystery band was supposed to play another semi final show the next day. they did not play cause they some how manage to get to the final. so i checked the band list for the final at webster hall mystery band is no where to be found.
so i check that band's my space page and they have a thanks for supporting us in our win for the nationals. the regional not even over yet this is nothing but a load of bull and i wish there was a way for every band to get back what they put in.
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Ahh Emergenza, I say DON'T DO IT. It's ok to Play for no pay, but never PAY TO PLAY!!!
The Brooklyn/New York finals this year July 1st 2006, was a travesty on all levels. The Emergenza official was the most unprofessional person I have ever met in the entertainment business. Emergenza should send their officials to some kind of Customer Training course, because after all, the bands that enroll are customers to Emergenza.
I am not being biased here, I'm just telling it like it is, because I was there. First I want to start by saying this thread is about 2 things. I just wanted to give you a in depth, view on the "Farce" that is The Emergenza Festival and, who ever was or were the minds that came up with the creation of this "festival" are geniuses. Secondly, what happened to my son's band on July 1st was a direct result of what happens when ego's clash and one is in a position more power than the other.
My son's band was one of the bands that went through the NYC area competition in Brooklyn. They won their first 3 rounds by having the most votes on each night, 49, 78 and over 100 in round 3. The Finals were held at The Knitting Factory in NYC with 10 bands who were the winners of their respective rounds at the same venue in Brooklyn as well as a band from Buffalo NY and another band from somewhere else in New York.
Ok it works like this. Through each of the preliminary rounds the top 3 bands from each night who have the most votes that particular night get to move on to the next round. The votes are counted by an Emergenza Official who stands on stage and counts how many hands are raised in the audience after their performance with a hand held click counter. As you can see most people that come to see "their Band" won't vote for another band, because they don't want their vote to go against their own. Here is the genius of this "Festival"! It is not about talent, it's not about the best goes onto the next round, and it is not about "an environment that aims to give up-and-coming bands the tools and the means to succeed." It's all about Business and Emergenza making money!!!!! Hey I don't see anything wrong with that, but let's call a shark a shark when you see it! This is just an incredible way to make money on the eagerness and lack of knowledge of kids wanting to get to the top by making them believe that their talent will take them to the "Holy Land" or the Warped Tour, National and International tours and recognition. The simple fact of the matter is this, I'm pretty involved with finding programs and events for kids to be involved in when it comes to music programs and I never heard of this event until my son's band joined, and apparently Emergenza has been in existence since 1992!! LOL!
So each round pushes you to bring more people, to the next round. With each round the ticket prices go up, clever! $8.00 for round 1, $10.00 for round 2 & 3 and it was $15.00 for the Regional Final last night. In total my son's band made Emergenza gross aprox $4500.00 now just take a look at this link and look at the numbers that the New York City rounds brought in. The Numbers to the right are the amount of votes each band got for that particular night, now multiply that by the each one of the cities around the world, cha ching!! http://www.emergenza.net/document/shows/schedule.asp?dett=yes&res=152
Ok about last night. The guitar player in my son's band had a major blow up with the Dictator, oops I mean Director Official from Emergenza, which caused her to basically Blacklist the whole band. It basically was about the band trying to get ready to get on stage, which they have only 5 minutes to set-up and be ready for their 30 minute set. The backstage area was no larger than a walk in closet and there was so much gear, guitar cases, bags that it made it impossible for bands to exit and enter the stage smoothly. 2 big ego's stress and heat, just added to the fire that had begun after sound check, when the Ticket finalization must take place in order to play. Hand in money and tickets not sold in order to play. The band planned to bring in about 100 people, but couldn't get tickets sold before the show, but they knew their peeps were coming, but ya gotta pay to play, So besides the money that reflected about 50 tickets sold, the band put up their own money to buy a book of 100 tickets at $15.00 a pop and managed to be able to recoup when people arrived outside the front door.
Of the 10 bands my son's band probably came in 2nd or 3rd with ticket sales as they sold 150 tickets, but remember this round is "judged"! As soon as my son's band started their performance, the "Dictator" came upstairs to where the judges were and where I was standing and whispered something into each judge’s ear. I stood behind the judges the whole night and during my son's bands performance one of the judges pulled out a dig cam and started to video my son's band. He even went on to say how much he dug the band to the other judge and personnel around him. During some of the other bands the judges just got up and left their seats to go outside! So after all 10 bands played and before they gave out individual awards for best guitarist, bass player and drummer, the 2 judges were on stage doing their PR thing, getting the crowd hyped up, and talking about how "even though only one band wins, they all win" yadda, yadda, yadda,. The one judge says, OK we are going to give out the individual awards and points to my son's guitarist and says, "What’s this guys name, now that boy can play guitar!” When they announced the winners, none of the guys in my son's band won. Now I knew they weren't going to win to move on to the next round because of the backstage altercation, but seeing all the bands which were labeled Punk, Hardcore, Pop Punk, Punk Alternative, Metal, Alternative Metal and Progressive Metal (my son's band) and honestly not being biased, they bar far had the best musicianship and skill. It appears that in the final round, only the top 4 bands with the most audience votes are judged to move on to the next round. The Emergenza official purposely keyed them in as 5th. Don’t' believe me, check their website. It's right there in Black & White
01 NEW PIRACY Hard core
02 DURTNECK Rock
03 SEXY HEROES IN TRANSIT Pop Punk
05 UNTIL DESTINY Progressive rock
06 VICTIM 6 Metal
07 LIES BENEATH Heavy Metal
07 WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS Punk rock
07 SECTION 8 CARTEL Alternative metal
07 RID OF ME Punk Alternative
http://www.emergenza.net/document/shows/schedule.asp?dett=yes&res=176
Where the heck is band 4????
Yes they learned a lesson that night one that I often stress more than anything. It's not always about talent and ability, but how you are able to interact with people and how your attitude effects how other people perceive and work with you.
Remember, never PAY TO PLAY!!!
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To the guy above what's your son's band
theband i went to see was dumpbody they had a huge following the band with the black singer names until destiny should had one that guy and band had amazing talent but some crap band won
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Sorry it took so long, but yes the band was Until Destiny
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I just got an email at my myspace page for this Emergenza thing. I've gotten scammy "we'll book you" emails before, so I thought it would be fun to see what's up with these guys. Although the "selling tickets" thing in their FAQs on their website was a dead ringer, the funny thing is that the email came from a person on myspace named delia--the page said "age: 17 location: Nigeria." The contact's name wasn't delia or anything of the like. Perhaps it is the same Delia, Duke of Nigeria who wants to give me 64 million dollars so I can put it in my bank account, so I can give it back and get %10 in return for my generosity....
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My band and I just recently became acquainted with Emergenza. And let me say this, I am damn glad I read this thread before comitting to anything. It isn't just the shady tactics that these people use, it's the fact that you are releasing your material to, for lack of a better phrase, a musical pyramid scheme. Essentially, the bands use their talent and time to make some big wig money at the top. It trickles down, oh yeah, but in pennies instead of dollars.
I think that it is disturbing how blindly we were ready to rush into this.
And for the record, you can add a new place to the listing. Emergenza has based themselves in Montreal, Quebec now as well. We are supposed to have this meeting with them in less than two weeks.
Tread lightly I suppose. Thank you everyone for the info.
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on Thursday September 21 2006 @ 06:32PM PDT [ reply | parent ] |
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Yo man my band just got booked me emergenza for this gig battle of the bands thing and theve turned out to be really helpfull and we just had a meeting with them.....best of luck to you
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Emergenza is a cool concept, sort of. But it is a glorified battle of the bands, and lacks talent. Sure, some of the bands who sign up are talented. But the company itself doesn't look at your myspace and hear your songs or even listen to your demo at all before they book you and assign you a concert date. So essentially, me and my 2 friends could show up with 3 instruments, totally suck, bring all our friends to raise their hands for us and we COULD win. that doesn't sound very good to me.
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I've been approached through Myspace by the Emergenza festival
or whatever and I'm highly leary of myspace contacts that I don't
know personally. It seems there's all kinds of scams and predators
on myspace, I believe Evergenza and ImpactWorldWide is a scam
also. People, if it sounds too good to be true the it probably is.
Don't be discouraged but do check out everyone for possible
scams. While you're at it, for your own good check out my website
at: alfiesroadhouse.com Much Love!
~Alfie.
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My Band Just Played Emergenza In Toronto my band placed third out of the Seven bands that played.
I must say , it has been A good experience for me and my band mates and the sound is really good and all but one thing earks me... If this is a scam.... Ill probably have to kill someone and beat my $70 out of them!
Paul
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on Friday December 01 2006 @ 09:48AM PST [ reply | parent ] |
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P.s. Aparently there were supposed to be wireless equipment provided and strings ..... ya ....That never happened.
-Paul-
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Ok if everyone would go to their website EVERYTHING would be explained www.emergenza.net EVERYTHING is there! Not to be ugly or anything I have done alot of research on them and was involved with one of the bands and will in it this year. actually in like a week here in memphis. You do not get all these prizes for just showing up you win them they provide the equiptment to play an the sound guy etc. This is to keep everything even in the sound. I think it is a good thing but you can use your own effects. The ticket sale are to help with the venue they have to pay to get the venues. I do agree that it should be talent versus popularity but hey we all know what a battle of the bands are and the biggest votes win. So for all my beautiful musicians out there Rock hard and show everyone what your made of!!
Peace
Bobbie Saunders (the band) PENGEA
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WWW.EMERGENZA.NET ...not EMERGENZA.com ..... otherwise youl get this Page. Not that hard of a concept .
EMERGENZA.NET
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OK. SO I am a Manager for Emergenza. I am appalled to have
found this blog and hear some of the stuff you guys are saying
about a festival that you obviously have not researched. I travel
all over the U.S. and book bands, explain the process of
Emergenza and run the shows. Do you have any idea how many
bands are in existence in the U.S? Do you have ANY idea how
hard it is for a band to MAKE IT? Did you know that the #1 most
important things to record labels, radio stations and venues is
pulling in revenue???? Don't kid yourself if you think that you
haven't made money for a lot of people by playing big shows, or
lost a lot of money for a venues by being lazy and not promoting
yourselves. Did you know that there are clubs out there that pull
in over 20,000$ in bar sales from ONE SHOW??? Emergenza
teaches bands how to get out there and promote themselves so
that they may book gigs at the clubs that would have never
given them the chance had they not had a good turn out at an
Emergenza show. I throw my heart and soul into this festival. I
sacrifice my life, loves, family time and sanity to deal with a
shitload of whiney bands who think they are incredible (when a
lot of the times they aren't). This festival is about exposure, it is
about bands forming alliances with other bands and it is about
kicking you bands in the butt to be honest with you about how
the music industry works. Yes, you pay 70$ to enroll. Has
anyone mentioned that the exposure alone through our website
is worth double than that? Last year Emergenza.net was in the
top 10 music websites in the world. It has become a resource
for bookers and management companies all over the world. We
also have a streamed radio station that is broadcast 24 hours a
day all over the world. I could go on and on. The fact of the
matter is that you people are naive and rediculous to sit around
and talk shit on a blog about something that you obviously have
not completely understood. To Mr. New York: Your kids signed
an agreement from day 1 that explained that their pre-sale
tickets were due at the time of the sound check. Can your kids
read? Did you ever teach them not to sign anything unless they
understood? I emceed the show last year in New York City. All
of the bands were incredible. Julius C is going on our B.E.S.T
tour this year and is playing 18 dates all over the country
financed by Emergenza. They are a great band. They did not go
to Germany. I can't tell you why...probably because all of the
bands at NYC's final were great, and based on points from
judges they did not rally the most points. If you are a band that
did not progress through a round of Emergenza it is because
you either weren't listening when we explained every detail
about how to be successful with this festival, didn't | | |
